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Wal-Mart bans gay couple for NOT shoplifting
Timothy Kincaid
November 7th, 2009
Not every confrontation that a gay person experiences in their life is based on their orientation. But sometimes it is very difficult to see any other possible explanation.

Take the experience that Joe Paolucci, Thomas Hitchcock, and their special need twins had recently with Wal-Mart.

Employees at the Niles, MI Wal-Mart store accused Paolucci of shoplifting some Bic lighters. Although he produced the receipt, they refused to back down, insisting that the two men go to a “detention room”. The employees, using vulgarities and hostility, frightened their special needs kids. (South Bend Tribune)

Paolucci said that while he and Hitchcock were attempting to calm down the boys, the employees ordered them to enter a “detention room” for questioning. Fearful of what might happen behind closed doors, he and Hitchcock refused to enter and asked to speak to a manager.

“Some guy came up and said, ‘I’m the manager,’ then turned around and left,” Hitchcock said.

Paolucci said he and Hitchcock then asked store personnel to call police. Within minutes, deputies from the Berrien County Sheriff’s Department’s Niles Township Patrol arrived, pleasing Paolucci who said he thought a few questions and a review of the store’s videotapes and computer records would quickly resolve the matter.

He said he was shocked when he was immediately handcuffed, without a question being asked, and placed in the back seat of a squad car. Hitchcock wasn’t handcuffed but also was placed in the back seat of a second squad car.

The twins, despite the protests of Paolucci and Hitchcock, were turned over to the store’s security personnel, who took them into the “detention room” or what police referred to as a security room.
A review of the security tapes proved that Paolucci and Hitchcock had done no wrong. So the store management profusely apologized and expressed their remose, right? No. They did not.

The two said they expected an apology and were surprised once again when personnel from the store walked up to the squad cars with the twins and read from a statement that Paolucci and Hitchcock had been banned by the store chain for life. Rather than shoplifting, the reason they were given was “being uncooperative.”

By the time they were read the statement, Paolucci and Hitchcock said, the twins had told them that the security staff had allegedly threatened them in the security room and had made disparaging remarks about Paolucci and Hitchcock’s lifestyle. Paolucci and Hitchcock said they asked police to take statements from the boys but the officers refused, telling the couple they’d have to contact Child Protective Services.
Wal-Mart even refused to replace frozen items that had now thawed due to their unprovoked misuse of their customers. Nor did the situation end at the harassment of the couple at the store.

Paolucci said the boys have suffered a type of post-traumatic stress disorder since the experience. Both wet their beds, although one has stopped, and both have had nightmares about one security employee in particular, he said.

“They’re terrified, horrified. We’ve had to change their medication twice,” he said.
And what does Wal-Mart corporate have to say?

Paolucci and Hitchcock e-mailed The Tribune a copy of a letter from a law firm representing Wal-Mart seeking 10 times the retail price of the items the store still claims were shoplifted by Paolucci. The letter states the matter will be dropped if Paolucci submits the $158.40 payment.
Now this is not the first time that Wal-Mart has been perceived as hostile to gay Americans. In 2007, HRC advised against giving our business to Wal-Mart, and just in April of this year, the CEO signed his name to a petition to ban gay couples from adopting.

Wal-Mart doesn’t care about my opinion. And there’s little I can do to impact their decision to treat gay customers with hostility.

But perhaps there are those, even in Niles, MI, who will decide that this situation is just one too many. That they cannot give their custom to bad neighbors. That it may be worth an extra nickle and a further drive to frequent the stores that do not abuse customers solely because they “disapprove of their lifestyle” and who admit it and apologize when they are wrong.

All I can do is spread the word.



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It is too bad that a company like Wal-Mart maintains some of the bad American traditions too.. that is, prejudice and support of the denial of civil rights to certain groups of people. I hope such things are not it's official policies.



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The thing you people fail to realize is that individual stores do not represent the company at large. We've hired quite a few outwardly gay people to work at our Walmart over the years. Discrimination is not tolerated at our store.

The fact that there was a link thrown in about a CEO signing a petition to ban homosexual from adopting children bears no relevance to Walmart discrimination against gays as a public policy.



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So, carol.... do you think that the fact that most christians think the bible condmens homosexuality makes them comfortable with their own prejudice?  Does the "authority figure" in the pulpit who is spouting anti-gay rhetoric every Sunday equate to the "authority figure" CEO of WalMart trying to stop gay people from adopting children?

 

In other words, does either set a precedent for other people to      follow?

 

& who, exactly, are "you people?"

 

& oh... those gay people at your WalMart.  Do you think they should be allowed to marry a same-sex partner?  Or should they be forced to live under rules imposed by people who hate them and wish they'd go back into their closet and disappear?



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Merlin wrote: So, carol.... do you think that the fact that most christians think the bible condmens homosexuality makes them comfortable with their own prejudice?  Does the "authority figure" in the pulpit who is spouting anti-gay rhetoric every Sunday equate to the "authority figure" CEO of WalMart trying to stop gay people from adopting children?

What does one's personal convictions have to do with the company one works for?
 
In other words, does either set a precedent for other people to follow?

No. 

& who, exactly, are "you people?"

In this thread that would be you and Yoki.

& oh... those gay people at your WalMart.  Do you think they should be allowed to marry a same-sex partner?  Or should they be forced to live under rules imposed by people who hate them and wish they'd go back into their closet and disappear?

Me, personally? I wouldn't recognize their union as a legitimate "marriage" even if the state did, and that makes my point regarding personal convictions nicely. Thank you.

Also, that doesn't mean I "hate" gay people.




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Carol2 wrote: Merlin wrote: So, carol.... do you think that the fact that most christians think the bible condmens homosexuality makes them comfortable with their own prejudice?  Does the "authority figure" in the pulpit who is spouting anti-gay rhetoric every Sunday equate to the "authority figure" CEO of WalMart trying to stop gay people from adopting children?

What does one's personal convictions have to do with the company one works for?
 
In other words, does either set a precedent for other people to follow?

No. 

& who, exactly, are "you people?"

In this thread that would be you and Yoki.

& oh... those gay people at your WalMart.  Do you think they should be allowed to marry a same-sex partner?  Or should they be forced to live under rules imposed by people who hate them and wish they'd go back into their closet and disappear?

Me, personally? I wouldn't recognize their union as a legitimate "marriage" even if the state did, and that makes my point regarding personal convictions nicely. Thank you.

Also, that doesn't mean I "hate" gay people.



No, Carol, you obviously love gay people. However, you are not that concerned that their civil rights are denied, because through your own personal "convictions" gay people do not have a right to be married. Right?



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If it's a civil right to marry your own sex then that is fine. I don't have to personally agree in order to make it a civil right.  



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Carol2 wrote: If it's a civil right to marry your own sex then that is fine. I don't have to personally agree in order to make it a civil right.  

True.



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Carol2 wrote: If it's a civil right to marry your own sex then that is fine. I don't have to personally agree in order to make it a civil right.  


It occurs to me that if I personally disagree that all married women are married, I'll have leave to act as though all married women are single.

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When the person the buck stops with discriminates against gay people in their own actions, it follows that he won't stop too many discriminating-against-gays bucks in the organization he leads.

So it's ok for gays to work with you in Walmart aslong as they know their place, huh? 



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"Their place"?



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Yeah, their place-- second-class, discriminated-against Americans.  No marriage, no inheritance, no adoption, no hospital visitation, not even able to claim their partner's body after death.  Not allowed to even hold their lover's hand in public.

That place.



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Let me ask you this; do you agree with the ideologies of the people you work for? Do they agree with yours? Do you lie awake in bed at night pondering whether or not they share your world view? Do you think they lie awake at night pondering whether or not you share theirs? No. Personal convictions are just that: personal convictions.



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AyHyperbole wrote: Carol2 wrote: If it's a civil right to marry your own sex then that is fine. I don't have to personally agree in order to make it a civil right.  


It occurs to me that if I personally disagree that all married women are married, I'll have leave to act as though all married women are single.

Interesting...
And that would affect married women how?



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Carol2 wrote: Let me ask you this; do you agree with the ideologies of the people you work for?
Do you?



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do you agree with the ideologies of the people you work for?

 

But that isn't the issue, carol.  The Human Rights Campaign recorded so many complaints made about GLBTT people being discriminated against in WalMart (by empoyees, not the public) that this past year they advised gays to shop elsewhere.  That suggestion isn't based on a complaint or two, but on a large number of ongoing complaints of discrimination and poor treatment.

Why is that kind of climate allowed in WalMart?  Surely stores have managers and those managers have regional managers and there's a chain all the way to the top.  Somebody, somewhere, should insist that all WalMart employees be civil to all customers and stop discriminating against gays.

I'd say it's because employees know they can get away with it, and they can get away with it because the CEO of WalMart is an anti-gay activist.



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I am sure that there are some white Mississippians sitting on a porch somewhere today, reminiscing about the good old days when blacks knew their place, and bemoan the fact that now they have their "civil rights" and act so upity these days.

These would probably be some old cogger white folks having these good ole memories, but they would be much too old to start having all that fun again burning crosses on the uppity blacks' lawns.



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Merlin wrote: do you agree with the ideologies of the people you work for?

 

But that isn't the issue, carol.  The Human Rights Campaign recorded so many complaints made about GLBTT people being discriminated against in WalMart (by empoyees, not the public) that this past year they advised gays to shop elsewhere.  That suggestion isn't based on a complaint or two, but on a large number of ongoing complaints of discrimination and poor treatment.

Why is that kind of climate allowed in WalMart?  Surely stores have managers and those managers have regional managers and there's a chain all the way to the top.  Somebody, somewhere, should insist that all WalMart employees be civil to all customers and stop discriminating against gays.

I'd say it's because employees know they can get away with it, and they can get away with it because the CEO of WalMart is an anti-gay activist.
That's utter bullcrap. No one in my store would EVER be allowed to get away with blatant discrimination like that. We'd be fired immediately.



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yoki wrote: I am sure that there are some white Mississippians sitting on a porch somewhere today, reminiscing about the good old days when blacks knew their place, and bemoan the fact that now they have their "civil rights" and act so upity these days.

These would probably be some old cogger white folks having these good ole memories, but they would be much too old to start having all that fun again burning crosses on the uppity blacks' lawns.
No doubt. Those Southern people are pieces of work. Us Yankees fought for the cause. :P



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Carol2 wrote: AyHyperbole wrote: Carol2 wrote: If it's a civil right to marry your own sex then that is fine. I don't have to personally agree in order to make it a civil right.  


It occurs to me that if I personally disagree that all married women are married, I'll have leave to act as though all married women are single.

Interesting...
And that would affect married women how?

Are you implying that I'm not absolutely irresistible to all women?


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