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yoki
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Posted: Fri Sep 18th, 2009 04:15 pm |
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| "What is your definition of arrogance? Someone says they are so much better than me that they need to ask God to help raise me up to their level. That I call arrogant. What do you call arrogant?"
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_Ammon_
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Posted: Mon Sep 21st, 2009 04:02 pm |
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I think it's only arrogance if the person doing it either knows better or has a nasty attitude. I've known people who've prayed for me in much the way you describe, without being arrogant at all.
Ignorant, now that's another story... 
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yoki
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Posted: Mon Sep 21st, 2009 09:19 pm |
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_Ammon_ wrote: I think it's only arrogance if the person doing it either knows better or has a nasty attitude. I've known people who've prayed for me in much the way you describe, without being arrogant at all.
Ignorant, now that's another story...
Well you should see the nasty attitude some of the fundie folks have where I got that quote from. As for arrogance, some of these people give a new meaning to the word.
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Carol2
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Posted: Tue Sep 22nd, 2009 07:56 am |
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| To me, arrogance is thinking you're smart 'cuz you don't buy into Christian faith.
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yoki
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Posted: Tue Sep 22nd, 2009 12:54 pm |
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Carol2 wrote: To me, arrogance is thinking you're smart 'cuz you don't buy into Christian faith.
That's nice Carol. You should read my definition of stupidity.
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Carol2
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Posted: Tue Sep 22nd, 2009 04:23 pm |
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| Hey, you asked.
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yoki
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Posted: Tue Sep 22nd, 2009 04:26 pm |
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Carol2 wrote: Hey, you asked.
True, if someone didn't realize that it was quoted material and it was really a statement rather than a question. In other words, Carol, I was not asking a question. Now we are getting close to my other definition.Last edited on Tue Sep 22nd, 2009 04:33 pm by yoki
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_Ammon_
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Posted: Tue Sep 22nd, 2009 06:21 pm |
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To me, arrogance is thinking you're smart 'cuz you don't buy into Christian faith.
Guess I'm not arrogant then, since I don't buy into Christian faith because it simply doesn't make any sense to me.
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Carol2
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Posted: Tue Sep 22nd, 2009 06:49 pm |
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yoki wrote: Carol2 wrote: Hey, you asked.
True, if someone didn't realize that it was quoted material and it was really a statement rather than a question. In other words, Carol, I was not asking a question. Now we are getting close to my other definition. Oh, I didn't recognize your quote so I'm stupid. Ok.
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yoki
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Posted: Tue Sep 22nd, 2009 07:25 pm |
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Carol2 wrote: yoki wrote: Carol2 wrote: Hey, you asked.
True, if someone didn't realize that it was quoted material and it was really a statement rather than a question. In other words, Carol, I was not asking a question. Now we are getting close to my other definition. Oh, I didn't recognize your quote so I'm stupid. Ok.
It simply shows that your reading comprehension is very poor. Since you always bring up the word "context" to justify biblical contradictions, and yet you yourself rarely read anything in proper context. It is rather ironic, methinks.
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Posted: Wed Sep 23rd, 2009 02:51 am |
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Carol2 wrote: To me, arrogance is thinking you're smart 'cuz you don't buy into Christian faith.
I don't know anybody who thinks that. There may be people who think that they are atheists because they are smart, but not the other way around.
I personally think it doesn't take much intelligence to see through the bible's self-serving claims of truth. All it takes - if you grow up in a Christian environment - is the courage to think for yourself. Then very little skill or intelligence is required to come to the conclusion that it can't be true.
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Posted: Wed Sep 23rd, 2009 01:13 pm |
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| I don't think it even takes courage, something makes sense to you or it doesn't.
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Posted: Wed Sep 23rd, 2009 07:47 pm |
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_Ammon_ wrote: I don't think it even takes courage, something makes sense to you or it doesn't.
Oh, there can be some courage involved. I liken it to "coming out."
For years, my best friend knew, deep down, that he was gay. All the evidence - and by evidence, I mean his sexual attraction to men - pointed to the fact that he was gay.
But he was from a conservative Christian home, so he'd come up with ludicrious "explanations" like "Okay, well, I'm not gay per se, but I just have occasional sexual attractions to certain kinds of men, and that's totally normal for essentially straight guys to have those..."
Ultimately it did take courage to say "Okay, you know what, my heritage and childhood aside, I know what's true."
And he had to do it because there was a lifestyle change he had to make in order to ever be happy. If we're talking about religion, which is far more abstract, it's very easy to stay in that halfway period of "Okay, some of this really doesn't work, so, um, here are a bunch of rationalizations for the various things that don't work..."
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Carol2
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Posted: Wed Sep 23rd, 2009 07:52 pm |
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| I didn't grow up in a "Christian enviroment". I didn't believe in Christ until I was in my mid 30's and I wasn't even seeking. Just all of a sudden BAM! It started to "make sense" to me. Ammon has the right attitude. Perhaps one day the Christian faith of forgiveness and grace (and our spiritual need for those things) will make sense to him.
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Posted: Wed Sep 23rd, 2009 07:55 pm |
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Carol2 wrote: I didn't grow up in a "Christian enviroment". I didn't believe in Christ until I was in my mid 30's and I wasn't even seeking. Just all of a sudden BAM! It started to "make sense" to me. Ammon has the right attitude. Perhaps one day the Christian faith of forgiveness and grace (and our spiritual need for those things) will make sense to him.
I agree that we do have a spiritual need for forgiveness and - well, we don't agree on what "grace" is, I'm sure, but I'd agree we have a spiritual need for grace as I understand it.
Thing is, I don't think we need weird stories about a guy coming back from the dead in order to fulfill those needs.
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Posted: Wed Sep 23rd, 2009 10:30 pm |
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| And that's one of the things that doesn't make sense to me.
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