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emmylou
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Posted: Tue Sep 8th, 2009 02:28 pm |
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I believe that anything's possible.
Maybe Obama's health plan is actually some evil government scheme. It's a fascinating thought, and brings to mind many questions, such as...
Who benefits from the scheme?
What is the actual goal of the scheme?
How feasible is it to pull the scheme off?
How many people would need to be in on it?
If there's anyone here who smells a rat about health reform, I'd love to discuss it.
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yoki
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Posted: Tue Sep 8th, 2009 03:20 pm |
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emmylou wrote: I believe that anything's possible.
Maybe Obama's health plan is actually some evil government scheme. It's a fascinating thought, and brings to mind many questions, such as...
Who benefits from the scheme?
What is the actual goal of the scheme?
How feasible is it to pull the scheme off?
How many people would need to be in on it?
If there's anyone here who smells a rat about health reform, I'd love to discuss it.
Why does American society value education more than health care?
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WingedBeast
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Posted: Tue Sep 8th, 2009 03:24 pm |
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Let me express exactly the sentiments that everybody calling this a government takeover wants me to express.
Who benefits from the scheme?
The gummint!
What is the actual goal of the scheme?
Take our freedoms!
How feasible is it to pull the scheme off?
Obama ain't born in America!
How many people would need to be in on it?
The Democrat Party!
For all the talk of government takeovers and of freedoms lost and of government beaurocrats between you and your doctor, none of it is well thought out. It's throwing shit to the wall and seeing what sticks.
The real benefactors of a public option, or of a single payer system, would be everybody.
As consumers of healthinsurance, we'll have more competition, so a better pressure to drive down costs or reduce the complexity of paperwork or actually insure rather than drop people the moment they get sick or injured. A single payer system would give us health insurance on par with countries that have a much higher life expectancy and a much higher standard of living.
As employers, that competition would mean lower prices for health insurance. That means that you can lower prices for consumers because you're dealing with lower prices yourselves. And a single payer system would mean that you can deal on the same level as foriegn companies that don't have to deal with employer-provided healthcare at all.
As consumers in general, above stated price reduction.
As employees, we don't have a trap anymore. Specifically, we don't have a situation where we're trapped in jobs we hate, or trapped away from going into self-employment because of the healthcare. If we've been wanting to move jobs or to start our own business that would employ more people.
As sellers of goods and services, we benefit simply because healthcare isn't driving as many people into bankrupcy.
Quite frankly, we all reap an economic benefit from this, whether we stick with our current healthcare providers or not.
The actual goal of this is to actually provide healthcare. Even as so many people are shouting down any conversation of healthcare, because their mad and the want their country back (from what? I don't know. But, they want it back.) we had thousands waiting for days in line for the kind of healthcare that doctors take to Etheopia and other impovrished nations, because these were all people who either didn't have any health-insurance at all, or their insurance wouldn't cover what they needed.
I'd say a public option is pretty feasable with a big iff. It will be the Democrats that need to be in on it. And, they need to not wuss out.
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