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Carol2
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 07:29 pm |
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Faith can move mountains, buddy boy. Faith can move mountains.
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AyHyperbole
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 07:37 pm |
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Carol2 wrote: Faith can move mountains, buddy boy. Faith can move mountains.
Yes, faith can move mountains.
Faith that there is an overarching plan and that we have a place in that plan can help people find purpose, find happiness, build families and communities, achieve beyond their wildest dreams.
Faith that there is a nationalist god who prefers us to others on the basis of where we live can help people slaughter each other in massive numbers.
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yoki
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 08:12 pm |
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Carol2 wrote: Faith can move mountains, buddy boy. Faith can move mountains.
A stitch in nine saves time, sista! A stitch in nine saves time.
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Carol2
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 08:28 pm |
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AyHyperbole wrote:
Faith that there is a nationalist god who prefers us to others on the basis of where we live can help people slaughter each other in massive numbers.
No, not a nationalist God, just a place where the faith in the Christian God is the defining majority faith of a nation...at least so far.
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Carol2
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 08:30 pm |
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yoki wrote:
A stitch in nine saves time, sista! A stitch in nine saves time.
I'm all for that, bruthuh! For more reason than just the fact that I'd like to have the freedom to smoke it without being criminalized.
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 08:45 pm |
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You're a bunch of pothead pinko hippies!!!
Wait ... Is there going to be a Love In somewhere?
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yoki
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 08:46 pm |
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Carol2 wrote: yoki wrote:
A stitch in nine saves time, sista! A stitch in nine saves time.
I'm all for that, bruthuh! For more reason than just the fact that I'd like to have the freedom to smoke it without being criminalized.
Well, in Canada, you know, it still is illegal too. However, one can be allowed to partake of it legally, for medicinal reasons. We have a free country here too, with just some little icing on the cake. But in the province of Ontario, where I live, a lot of folks here say that god's country is Muskoka.
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Carol2
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 09:12 pm |
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yoki wrote:
Well, in Canada, you know, it still is illegal too. However, one can be allowed to partake of it legally, for medicinal reasons. We have a free country here too, with just some little icing on the cake.
Sounds like California.
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Carol2
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 09:13 pm |
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Sigmund Freud wrote: You're a bunch of pothead pinko hippies!!!
Wait ... Is there going to be a Love In somewhere?
Dude! I love how you photo shop.
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Carol2
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 09:17 pm |
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https://members.humaneventsonline.com/order.php?offer=1751
Here's a book for the topic at hand.
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AyHyperbole
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 09:19 pm |
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Carol2 wrote: AyHyperbole wrote:
Faith that there is a nationalist god who prefers us to others on the basis of where we live can help people slaughter each other in massive numbers.
No, not a nationalist God, just a place where the faith in the Christian God is the defining majority faith of a nation...at least so far.
Thing is, that has almost nothing to do with what you're saying when you say the Pledge of Allegiance.
The Pledge of Allegiance says "I promise my absolute loyalty to this nation, and by the way, this nation is under God."
That's just not the same as "I believe America should be a place where Christianity is the majority faith." It's not even the same topic.
Are Christians willing to overlook the fact that they're reciting a loyalty oath to a secular power because God gets name-dropped somewhere in there?
Is the fight over the Pledge as simple as "Look, it says 'god' in there, and we don't get to say 'god' in public much anymore, and that's all I care about"?
The Pledge of Allegiance is a nationalist chant. Putting "under God" in there, to make it sort of "holy", blatantly associates God with nationalism. You say you don't believe in a nationalist God; I know I don't either. But I think that's exactly what the Pledge is asserting in its current form.
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Carol2
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 09:21 pm |
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Separation of church and state, Hype. We can pledge allegiance to our God and our country.
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yoki
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 09:23 pm |
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Carol2 wrote: https://members.humaneventsonline.com/order.php?offer=1751
Here's a book for the topic at hand.
The remedy? Resurrect Charles Martel.
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 09:24 pm |
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Carol2 wrote: Separation of church and state, Hype. We can pledge allegiance to our God and our country.
And when those loyalties conflict? Jesus is pretty clear on the point that no one can serve two masters.
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Carol2
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 09:26 pm |
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How do they conflict? One is spiritual, the other is tangible.
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 09:30 pm |
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Carol2 wrote: https://members.humaneventsonline.com/order.php?offer=1751
Here's a book for the topic at hand.
I've got to say: that book sounds like insane paranoia.
It's trying to claim that because of demographic shifts in Europe, there are "enemies of civilization" that only the United States will be able to stand against.
That's ridiculous. No demographic is an "enemy of civilization." There have been demographic shifts since the beginning of time, and civilization keeps on marching along.
People always freak out about demographic shifts, because an immigrating population is generally poorer, has different cultural values, and there are always members among them who are angry or violent.
And it'll be the same in the future. Perhaps in a century, the French will be screaming "We can't tolerate this invasion by these horrible Indian Hindus! They're enemies of civilization! They need to leave the decent, law-abiding Muslims and secular Europeans alone and go back where they came from!"
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 09:31 pm |
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Carol2 wrote: How do they conflict? One is spiritual, the other is tangible.
It's certainly plausible that your religion can tell you to do one thing while your nationalism can order you to do another. I see posts from Christians all the time who worry that exactly that is happening.
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 09:53 pm |
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Carol2 wrote: Separation of church and state, Hype. We can pledge allegiance to our God and our country.
Probly not ...seems here like even something as basic to human nature as family allegiances are out if u gonna follow Jesus, let alone loyalies to any larger sociocultural groups like clans, tribes, or nations:
If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother, and wife and children, and brothers and sisters, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 09:56 pm |
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AyHyperbole wrote: Carol2 wrote: We like to believe our nation has been blessed by God. Is there really anything wrong with that? Yes, we have religious freedom to worship who we want, or to worship no one at all, but generally speaking, America has always been thought of as a Christian country and one where Jewish people can feel safe.
What does it mean for a nation to have been blessed by God? Does it mean that God gives preferential treatment to the United States over other nations? Does it mean that God intends to save more souls from the United States than from other nations?
Has God blessed the United States to the exclusion of all other nations? If you cross the border from Seattle into Vancouver, have you just driven from "God-blessed" into "God-forsaken"?
damn strait . . . 
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yoki
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 11:53 pm |
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met wrote: AyHyperbole wrote: Carol2 wrote: We like to believe our nation has been blessed by God. Is there really anything wrong with that? Yes, we have religious freedom to worship who we want, or to worship no one at all, but generally speaking, America has always been thought of as a Christian country and one where Jewish people can feel safe.
What does it mean for a nation to have been blessed by God? Does it mean that God gives preferential treatment to the United States over other nations? Does it mean that God intends to save more souls from the United States than from other nations?
Has God blessed the United States to the exclusion of all other nations? If you cross the border from Seattle into Vancouver, have you just driven from "God-blessed" into "God-forsaken"?
damn strait . . .
Juan de Fuca?
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