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Posted: Mon Jul 6th, 2009 04:57 pm |
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manonfire wrote: Carol2 wrote:
I don't know if this is on topic or not, but I am SICK of seeing the food stamp recipients in line at the cash registers with 3-4 overflowing carts of food. I've never in my life spent $800 on food in one shopping trip, but I'm just a working stiff. What do I know? At least I don't have to contend with obesity like most of the food stamps recipients I see.
That's right, Carol. This is nothing more than the result of liberal "compassion." Or, let's keep the niggers on the plantation mentality by keeping them dependent upon white elitist liberals...better known as the democrat party.
You betcha! Encourage then to breed, while we feed.
Got a better idea? KEEP yo' money? Build a big tower to store it all in?
Good thinkin' . . . m@#$%^@#$%^&!!  I like it . ..
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Posted: Mon Jul 6th, 2009 05:15 pm |
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Carol2 wrote: Paul taught grace and forgiveness...the stuff Jesus accomplished by dying on the cross.
Precisely Carol. Paul preached Christ, i.e., the theology which surrounds a sacrifice to biblegod, but Paul did not necessarily teach what Christ taught, e.g., it would seem that Paul was not familiar with Christ's teachings at all, e.g., alluding or quoting from the Sermon on the Mount.Last edited on Mon Jul 6th, 2009 05:23 pm by yoki
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Posted: Mon Jul 6th, 2009 05:17 pm |
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Carol2 wrote: My taxes feed those people and they're going to go up even more. Who have you fed today?
It is better to see them spending it on food rather than drinking it away and letting their kids go hungry.
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Posted: Mon Jul 6th, 2009 05:21 pm |
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Carol2 wrote: met wrote: Carol2 wrote: My taxes feed those people and they're going to go up even more. Who have you fed today?
geez, you're defensive .. . there's no need for that . .
its not about guilt, its about living a real life ... i'm only suggesting maybe some peeps could open up abit , get OUT there, in the fray, and find out what they (and God) are made of. . . and maybe they'll even GROW a little . . .
( otoh. . . just remember what Zedd the Wizard said in the Sword of Truth series: "An adventure's when you're scared to death, and pretty certain you're going to die"....)
Interpreter please.
Met's saying that "the poor" aren't limited to obese slobs in Wal-Mart. There are people all over the world who legitimately need help; their circumstances make finding enough to eat incredibly difficult, let alone living a happy life.
And (this part is my observation, not met's), conservative Christians often seem singularly uninterested in their plight, despite the fact that Jesus was all about their plight.
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Posted: Mon Jul 6th, 2009 05:21 pm |
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met wrote: yoki wrote: Christian fundamentalism has never been about Christ's teachings. It has always been about St. Paul's letters, and the theology and teachings therein. Paul would make allusions to the OT like not to muzzle an ox when it is working to justify suitable compensation being given to workers who taught "Christ." He would also use the OT to further his alleged revelation about how evil men really were when he quoted a list of proof text out of Psalms, completely out of context.
I think it's true that Protestantism is kinda Pauline,since that's where Luther found 'his' Gospel... but its weird too, since they also assert you have to believe this OTHER guy (ie Christ) was actually God Incarnate, and NOT ANYTHING less than that, to make it to heaven. . .
otoh they seem far LESS interested in what Christ had to say than in what Pual said, even tho they'll agree Paul was. . . only human and much less than God Incarnate
Oh yes, well said. The way I phrase it is less palatably: "Fundies do not want to hear it from the horse's mouth, but rather, they prefer listening to the horses' ass."
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Posted: Mon Jul 6th, 2009 05:22 pm |
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yoki wrote: Carol2 wrote: Paul taught grace and forgiveness...the stuff Jesus accomplished by dying on the cross.
Precisely Carol. Paul taught Christ, i.e., the theology which surrounds a sacrifice to biblegod, but Paul did not necessarily teach what Christ taught, e.g., it would seem that Paul was not familiar with Christ's teachings at all, e.g., alluding or quoting from the Sermon on the Mount.
Seems reasonable that he didn't want to commit already-established teachings to paper. . irc it was mostly a verbal culture and 'paper' was expensive ..
As some evangelical on heresy once pointed out to us, there are quite a few correlations between the Sermon and Paul's Ro 12 teachings too . .. the problem, for many modern prots, seems to be they ignore Romans after 11, prefer make up their own therefores instead of heeding Paul's .. . kinda like . . .
THEREFORE.. . don't worry about it, it's all been done for you anyway, just be conformed to the world and enjoy your life
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Posted: Mon Jul 6th, 2009 05:31 pm |
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met wrote: yoki wrote: Carol2 wrote: Paul taught grace and forgiveness...the stuff Jesus accomplished by dying on the cross.
Precisely Carol. Paul taught Christ, i.e., the theology which surrounds a sacrifice to biblegod, but Paul did not necessarily teach what Christ taught, e.g., it would seem that Paul was not familiar with Christ's teachings at all, e.g., alluding or quoting from the Sermon on the Mount.
Seems reasonable that he didn't want to commit already-established teachings to paper. . irc it was mostly a verbal culture and 'paper' was expensive ..
As some evangelical on heresy once pointed out to us, there are quite a few correlations between the Sermon and Paul's Ro 12 teachings too . .. the problem, for many modern prots, seems to be they ignore Romans after 11, prefer make up their own therefores instead of heeding Paul's .. . kinda like . . .
THEREFORE.. . don't worry about it, it's all been done for you anyway, just be conformed to the world and enjoy your life
The letter that correlates the best to Jesus' Sermon on the Mount was written by Jesus' brother James. And while James was at it, he took a swipe at the tripe Paul was spreading around, i.e., chapter 2.
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Posted: Mon Jul 6th, 2009 05:38 pm |
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AyHyperbole wrote: Carol2 wrote: met wrote: Carol2 wrote: My taxes feed those people and they're going to go up even more. Who have you fed today?
geez, you're defensive .. . there's no need for that . .
its not about guilt, its about living a real life ... i'm only suggesting maybe some peeps could open up abit , get OUT there, in the fray, and find out what they (and God) are made of. . . and maybe they'll even GROW a little . . .
( otoh. . . just remember what Zedd the Wizard said in the Sword of Truth series: "An adventure's when you're scared to death, and pretty certain you're going to die"....)
Interpreter please.
Met's saying that "the poor" aren't limited to obese slobs in Wal-Mart. There are people all over the world who legitimately need help; their circumstances make finding enough to eat incredibly difficult, let alone living a happy life.
And (this part is my observation, not met's), conservative Christians often seem singularly uninterested in their plight, despite the fact that Jesus was all about their plight.
they seem to have a way of picking issues - like homosexual marriage and abortion - where the solution always comes down to . .. "The gov't should do something about that, that should be illegal" . . . it's like they want the gov't to do their xianity for them
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Posted: Mon Jul 6th, 2009 05:40 pm |
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AyHyperbole wrote:
Carol2 wrote: met wrote: Carol2 wrote: My taxes feed those people and they're going to go up even more. Who have you fed today?
geez, you're defensive .. . there's no need for that . .
its not about guilt, its about living a real life ... i'm only suggesting maybe some peeps could open up abit , get OUT there, in the fray, and find out what they (and God) are made of. . . and maybe they'll even GROW a little . . .
( otoh. . . just remember what Zedd the Wizard said in the Sword of Truth series: "An adventure's when you're scared to death, and pretty certain you're going to die"....)
Interpreter please.
Met's saying that "the poor" aren't limited to obese slobs in Wal-Mart. There are people all over the world who legitimately need help; their circumstances make finding enough to eat incredibly difficult, let alone living a happy life.
And (this part is my observation, not met's), conservative Christians often seem singularly uninterested in their plight, despite the fact that Jesus was all about their plight.
Are you guys finished with playing the class-envy card? Why not be honest and tell us about how no other country even comes close to spending as much on the world needy than U.S. While you're at it tell us the truth about the U.S Christians doing more missionary work to the world's poor and needy than any ten other countries combined.
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Posted: Mon Jul 6th, 2009 05:48 pm |
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good for them ... but that's them. .. there are't no vicarious xian lives and u can't just watch it on TV
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Posted: Mon Jul 6th, 2009 05:48 pm |
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manonfire wrote: Are you guys finished with playing the class-envy card? Why not be honest and tell us about how no other country even comes close to spending as much on the world needy than U.S.
And how much do we spend on the needy, hiram? Have you ever looked at our foreign aid budget? The breakdown of where our foreign aid goes? $2.4 billion to Israel to buy weapons. $1.3 billion to Egypt to buy weapons. $798 million to Pakistan, almost all earmarked to fight Al Qaeda at the border. $326 million to Jordan for "anti-terrorism" equipment.
A lot of what we call "foreign aid" is really "money used to hire mercenaries to fight our fights." Of course, that has a tendency to backfire.
While you're at it tell us the truth about the U.S Christians doing more missionary work to the world's poor and needy than any ten other countries combined.
I can't find a single source for how many missionaries there are in the world, and how many of them are American.
So I'm pretty sure you're just making this up. But that's about what I expect from you.
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Posted: Mon Jul 6th, 2009 05:59 pm |
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AyHyperbole wrote:
manonfire wrote: Are you guys finished with playing the class-envy card? Why not be honest and tell us about how no other country even comes close to spending as much on the world needy than U.S.
And how much do we spend on the needy, hiram? Have you ever looked at our foreign aid budget? The breakdown of where our foreign aid goes? $2.4 billion to Israel to buy weapons. $1.3 billion to Egypt to buy weapons. $798 million to Pakistan, almost all earmarked to fight Al Qaeda at the border. $326 million to Jordan for "anti-terrorism" equipment.
A lot of what we call "foreign aid" is really "money used to hire mercenaries to fight our fights." Of course, that has a tendency to backfire.
While you're at it tell us the truth about the U.S Christians doing more missionary work to the world's poor and needy than any ten other countries combined.
I can't find a single source for how many missionaries there are in the world, and how many of them are American.
So I'm pretty sure you're just making this up. But that's about what I expect from you.
And how much do we spend on the needy, hiram? Have you ever looked at our foreign aid budget? The breakdown of where our foreign aid goes? $2.4 billion to Israel to buy weapons. $1.3 billion to Egypt to buy weapons. $798 million to Pakistan, almost all earmarked to fight Al Qaeda at the border. $326 million to Jordan for "anti-terrorism" equipment.
Hiram: You left out the billions we have given to parts of Africa and other parts of the world to fight AIDS, starvation, diseases, and poverty.
I can't find a single source for how many missionaries there are in the world, and how many of them are American.
Hiram: Oh, I bet you could if you tried. But let's be clear, Hyper only looks for things that supports his propaganda.
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Posted: Mon Jul 6th, 2009 06:16 pm |
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manonfire wrote: And how much do we spend on the needy, hiram? Have you ever looked at our foreign aid budget? The breakdown of where our foreign aid goes? $2.4 billion to Israel to buy weapons. $1.3 billion to Egypt to buy weapons. $798 million to Pakistan, almost all earmarked to fight Al Qaeda at the border. $326 million to Jordan for "anti-terrorism" equipment.
Hiram: You left out the billions we have given to parts of Africa and other parts of the world to fight AIDS, starvation, diseases, and poverty.
Well, we recently passed a bill to spend billions in AIDS prevention - but we royally screwed it up by insisting that recipients of the money spend it to pay people to preach to kids about abstinence. That's a strategy that's proven not to work, and a colossal waste of money.
Japan, Germany, the UK, and many other modern nations similarly give billions of dollars to AIDS prevention - but without the self-defeating strings attached.
I can't find a single source for how many missionaries there are in the world, and how many of them are American.
Hiram: Oh, I bet you could if you tried. But let's be clear, Hyper only looks for things that supports his propaganda.
Hey, hiram, pop quiz. Which one of us copies and pastes massive amounts of material from partisan websites on this forum?
Maybe, before you accuse someone else of propagandizing, you should look in the mirror.
At any rate, I have spent some time searching for figures on the number of missionaries in the world, the number in the U.S., and their level of funding, and I've come up empty-handed. These are private organizations that don't operate under oversight from a larger group; it's possible that no one's actually compiling those numbers.
If you think you can find them, go ahead. Until then, you're basically just making facts up. You think AMERICA IS THE BEST, so you're going to invent the "fact" that our missionaries are more generous than the next ten countries combined.
It doesn't reflect well on your worldview when so much of it is dependent on "facts" you pulled directly from your ass.
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Posted: Tue Jul 7th, 2009 12:07 am |
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Apparently, this is another example of Hiram just making stuff up so he can thump his chest.
Hey Hiram, do you remember the parable of the old poor woman giving a single coin? You might want to take it into consideration before you bleat on about how generous the USA is with foreign aid.
Have a look at this, for example. The US is last in the OECD when it comes to how much of its GNP is devoted to foreign aid. Those god-awful communist states - you know, the Scandinavian countries that have a higher life-expectancy, GDP per capita and standard of living than the US - give about ten times more of their GNP away in foreign aid than does the US. Not to mention that 80%...that's EIGHTY PERCENT of the "foreign aid" the US hands out is given to US corporations in foreign nations.
You Just. Don't. Get. It. Do you? Before you start hurling about your opinions as if they're facts, it might behoove you to actually check them out.
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