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Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 01:20 am |
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Hardy Heaven suggested that Palin needs a course on how to speak with the "correct accent."
Does anyone know which accent that would be? I'm not sure what region of the country HH hails from, but if someone will tell me, I'll do my best to lose my own southern accent and try to adapt it to the correct one that she has.
Was JFK's the "correct accent?" Is Cuba really pronounced Cuber?
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Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 01:22 am |
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stiggywiggy wrote: Hardy Heaven suggested that Palin needs a course on how to speak with the "correct accent."
No, she didn't.
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Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 01:24 am |
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Here's a great video and some commentary about Palin's folksy little accent. I started to delete the viewer comments, but they're extraordinarily on target, so enjoy:
http://www.eons.com/blogs/entry/1184883-fake-Minnesota-accent-Why-Alaskan-s-are-Upset
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Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 01:28 am |
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If you had given me a moment to reply, instead of jumping into a new thread with your boxers (or briefs?) in a wad, you would have found my response in the original thread.
As to what accent to I find acceptable ... any accent other than her distinctly hokey one.
Most successful people learn to neutralize their regional dialect. Do you think Obama would have won the election if his speeches had consisted of comments directed toward his 'homies' or 'home boys', or if he combatted every with disagreement with a reference toward 'yo mamma'?
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Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 01:29 am |
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AyHyperbole wrote: stiggywiggy wrote: Hardy Heaven suggested that Palin needs a course on how to speak with the "correct accent."
No, she didn't.
But of course she DID, so......??
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Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 01:30 am |
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HardyHeaven wrote: If you had given me a moment to reply, instead of jumping into a new thread with your boxers (or briefs?) in a wad, you would have found my response in the original thread.
As to what accent to I find acceptable ... any accent other than her distinctly hokey one.
Most successful people learn to neutralize their regional dialect. Do you think Obama would have won the election if his speeches had consisted of comments directed toward his 'homies' or 'home boys', or if he combatted every with disagreement with a reference toward 'yo mamma'?
Let me know when you want to get around to telling us what a "correct" American accent is, as I had inquired in my post.
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Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 01:33 am |
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stiggywiggy wrote: AyHyperbole wrote: stiggywiggy wrote: Hardy Heaven suggested that Palin needs a course on how to speak with the "correct accent."
No, she didn't.
But of course she DID, so......??
Except that she didn't. If you want, I'll invite you to quote her saying that. You could use, for example, quotation marks.
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Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 04:16 am |
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AyHyperbole wrote: stiggywiggy wrote: AyHyperbole wrote: stiggywiggy wrote: Hardy Heaven suggested that Palin needs a course on how to speak with the "correct accent."
No, she didn't.
But of course she DID, so......??
Except that she didn't. If you want, I'll invite you to quote her saying that. You could use, for example, quotation marks.
Nah, it's much easier than that. No quotation marks required. This is the internet, remember? Not a composition class. All I need to do is cut and paste HH's VERY OWN WORDS:
I just need some time. Let her fade to the background a bit, and in the meantime, you can work with her to correct her accent.....
Has this place become some sort of parallel universe in my absence? I didn't read it, but I did see a thread with that phrase in the title. Just unabashed denial of reality?
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Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 04:58 am |
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Hardy Heaven suggested that Palin needs a course on how to speak with the "correct accent." No she didn't, dumbass. She said Palin should correct her accent to ANY ACCENT that isn't her new-found, folksie, fake Minnnnnnesoota style of speaking. I do believe that HH's emphasis was on Palin changing to ANYTHING ELSE, whether it is "correct" or not.
I agree with her and if I had to listen to that skirted moron drone on for any length of time, would stab pencils through my eardrums in the hope of just stopping the nasal whine for awhile.
While I know you have once again been confused by those pesky "parts of speech," and the entire English Grammar thing, I would be remiss if I didn't let you know that HH's use of the word "correct" was as a verb and yours is an adjective. Since she is the one who made the statement, we must go with her choice of verb over your choice of modifier.
So again... your reading comprehension problems have led you astray into a SIMILAR topic wherein you are doing your usual rampaging and blustering as if your opinions mattered a damn.
Just unabashed denial of reality? Well, it works for you, doesn't it?
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Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 06:05 am |
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Merlin wrote: Hardy Heaven suggested that Palin needs a course on how to speak with the "correct accent." No she didn't, dumbass.
Nah. Mere epithets aren't going to get you anywhere on this one. We have HH's own words, for Christ sake:
I just need some time. Let her fade to the background a bit, and in the meantime, you can work with her to correct her accent.....
She said Palin should correct her accent to ANY ACCENT that isn't her new-found, folksie, fake Minnnnnnesoota style of speaking.
Yep. She doesn't like the way Palin sounds. Is there any reason anyone should care?
I do believe that HH's emphasis was on Palin changing to ANYTHING ELSE, whether it is "correct" or not.
Say what now? HH was suggesting that an accent can be "corrected." That obviously implies a correct accent. What are you struggling with here?
I agree with her and if I had to listen to that skirted moron drone on for any length of time, would stab pencils through my eardrums in the hope of just stopping the nasal whine for awhile.
Who cares? Your disgust for people who don't talk the way you'd like them to talk doesn't get us anywhere in determining what how an implied "correct" American accent might sound.
While I know you have once again been confused by those pesky "parts of speech," and the entire English Grammar thing, I would be remiss if I didn't let you know that HH's use of the word "correct" was as a verb and yours is an adjective.
Yeah? And.....? If I can INCREASE (VERB) my speed, it implies that there is an INCREASED (ADJECTIVE) speed that can be obtained.
Since she is the one who made the statement, we must go with her choice of verb over your choice of modifier.
I see. So you think HH was implying that an accent can be corrected into a state, however, that is not more correct that that state from which it emerged. Brilliant, Merlin.
So again... your reading comprehension problems
Nah. You need to retire the reading comprehension schtick. It sure won't work here. The damn words were cut and pasted, for crying out loud. Want to see them again:
I just need some time. Let her fade to the background a bit, and in the meantime, you can work with her to correct her accent.....
have led you astray into a SIMILAR topic wherein you are doing your usual rampaging and blustering as if your opinions mattered a damn.
Nah. None of that's occuring here. No rampaging on my part, as is quite obvious to any readers. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of how this correct American accent sounds.
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Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 06:35 am |
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stiggy's whole post and my rebuttal(s) to his arguments summed up:
You can't fix stupid.
Hey, I put up another Palin pic for you to jack off to, what the hell else do you want???
Last edited on Sat Nov 29th, 2008 06:44 am by Merlin
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Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 11:02 am |
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I don't know much about accents. I just know that Palin's "Amearrricaans" is annoying to me.
But what I do know is that you should finish a sentence before starting another one. Here's an interesting tidbit about her "sentence" structure:
http://www.slate.com/id/2201158/
Another annoying thing is her use of the word "also" at the end of a sentence where the use of "too" would be proper.
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2008/10/and-then-theres-way-sarah-palin-keeps.html
I have the hardest time listening to her, and it's not solely her accent that bothers me.
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Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 11:02 am |
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Merlin wrote: what the hell else do you want???
Nothing other than what I already asked: someone to tell me how a correct American accent sounds.
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Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 03:24 pm |
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The last thing I heard from Palin, as she stood there at the turkey slaughterhouse with her latte in her hand, is that she wants to get government out of the way of Americans. What a complete joke. As if people are naturally wise and productive, and the only problem is that big bad government is standing in their way! If it weren't for government, big enough to be effective, we'd all be living like Somalia or Afghanistan. Alaskans are kidding themselves. They think they're rugged individualists? Ha. They pull in millions from the federal government to try to provide themselves with the kind of infrastructure that makes prosperity possible. And they use the power of government to tax in order to run their state government and pay dividends to every citizen. No government and Alaska is just a cold dark lonely place. The fact of a governor being against government is hilarious. It's like a shoe store owner preaching the virtues of going barefoot. I don't care what accent she uses, Palin is preaching nonsense.
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Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 04:06 pm |
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Evelyn wrote:
The last thing I heard fror ham Palin, as she stood there at the turkey slaughterhouse with her latte in hend, is that she wants to get government out of the way of Americans. What a complete joke. As if people are naturally wise and productive, and the only problem is that big bad government is standing in their way! If it weren't for government, big enough to be effective, we'd all be living like Somalia or Afghanistan. Alaskans are kidding themselves. They think they're rugged individualists? Ha. They pull in millions from the federal government to try to provide themselves with the kind of infrastructure that makes prosperity possible. And they use the power of government to tax in order to run their state government and pay dividends to every citizen. No government and Alaska is just a cold dark lonely place. The fact of a governor being against government is hilarious. It's like a shoe store owner preaching the virtues of going barefoot. I don't care what accent she uses, Palin is preaching nonsense.
as she stood there at the turkey slaughterhouse with her latte in hend,
Hiram: This is so typical. You are pro abortion, but let's save the turkeys! Btw, my bet is that Palin had a cup of coffee, black, in her hand. This would be the preferred drink for a woman of such strong character.
If it weren't for government,
Hiram: That's right, if it wasn't for big government, Evelyn wouldn't have a job in the public sector. She would have to compete in the private sector...God forbid!
As if people are naturally wise and productive,
Hiram: Yes, yes...*yawn* we know that you secular progressives believe that we the people are too stupid to take care of ourselves, and the government nipple should be inserted in all our mouths so we can suck off of the government from the womb to the tomb.
Evelyn, have a latte, and continue reading your propaganda from Karl Marx and Joseph Stalin. They also thought big government was great for the masses.
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Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 05:33 pm |
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Well, this is a very interesting thread. I have a Minnesota accent. I grew up one mile from Minnesota, and also lived in Minnesota for years. I now live in Wisconsin about 80 miles or so from Minnesota.
I say boat like row.
I say bag like hag.
I say Minnesooota.
I say North Dakooota. Lots of "o's" in my words.
It's called "Minnesota Nice" accent. Cause people from Minnesota ARE nice.
LOL. I've actually had people ask me if I'm from Minnesota just by my accent...what is wrong with that?
Sorry it causes people such terrible pain listening to it...sheesh.
If we were all the same this world would be awfully boring.
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Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 06:47 pm |
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Evelyn wrote: The last thing I heard from Palin, as she stood there at the turkey slaughterhouse with her latte in her hand, is that she wants to get government out of the way of Americans. What a complete joke. As if people are naturally wise and productive, and the only problem is that big bad government is standing in their way! If it weren't for government, big enough to be effective, we'd all be living like Somalia or Afghanistan. Alaskans are kidding themselves. They think they're rugged individualists? Ha. They pull in millions from the federal government to try to provide themselves with the kind of infrastructure that makes prosperity possible. And they use the power of government to tax in order to run their state government and pay dividends to every citizen. No government and Alaska is just a cold dark lonely place. The fact of a governor being against government is hilarious. It's like a shoe store owner preaching the virtues of going barefoot. I don't care what accent she uses, Palin is preaching nonsense.
And yet she continues to maintain the highest approval rating among all 50 governors, meaning that you, Evelyn, who most likely have never set foot in the state of Alaska, must fancy yourself as somehow intellectualy superior, or perhaps a better judge of character than the average Alaskan. I see no reason that I should accept that. I saw the interview. I do believe she was attending a traditional annual turkey-harvest festival that Alaskan governors have been a part of for years. If you saw the video, you'd notice that the camerman intentionally had Palin off center to the left, so he could fit the turkey processing guy into the right.
And you need to check out those specs, Granny. There was no slaughtering of turkeys taking place at the interview, which sure wasn't arranged by Palin. The turkey was dead. You can't slaughter something that is already dead, although A2SG and I might metaphorically attempt it at times.
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Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 06:57 pm |
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yoki wrote: "To correct someone's accent" does not necessarily mean that there is such a thing as a "correct accent".
I see. So at minimum, we can only say that HH believes there is a MORE correct accent than the accent that Palin has. That alone needs a little explanation. Maybe if HH could give us an example of a word which she says in a more correct (yeah, yeah... not necessarily THE CORRECT) way, than Palin does, it would help us here.
But still, if I am a student and my teacher tells me to draw a rectangle, and I draw a parallelogram with acute and obtuse angles, if she tells me that it needs "TO BE CORRECTED, " I do believe I should assume that there is a CORRECT version of a rectangle.
Speaking of obtuse, what has happened to you people?
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Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 07:30 pm |
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stiggywiggy wrote: Nothing other than what I already asked: someone to tell me how a correct American accent sounds.
Listen to the news broadcasts (radio or television) in any American region and I think you'll find a standard American accent. It sounds like a generic western accent to me.
It Britain, the standard was for a long time was "Received Pronunciation" (aka "Oxford English"). It is interesting to know that the RP accent is mostly manufactured and largely didn't exist until the beginning of the 20th century.
In the series "The History Of English," there is an episode that covers an island off the coast of Maryland where the accent of the inhabitants is antique American; it is the closest thing to what the southern Founding Fathers spoke (Washington, Jefferson, Madison) and probably similar to the northenr reaches, too. The accent of this island was so pronounced that the program used subtitles so the listener could understand what they were saying. Very twangy, sounding a bit like Australian. I now always imagine George Washington speaking with an Australian accent.
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