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Arthur Two Sheds Gumby
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 05:03 am |
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stiggywiggy wrote: Arthur Two Sheds Gumby wrote: stiggywiggy wrote: Arthur Two Sheds Gumby wrote: Now, of course, all he's doing is pretending he doesn't know that not all professions require a license, even if some, like plumbing, do.
PRETENDING?? No, let me state in absolutely and unqualified terms that I am not PRETENDING that I believe licensed plumbing companies employ actual real live UNLICENCENSED plumbers to plumb.
Why? Well, because it is a fact.
And yet, that's not at all what I said you were pretending you didn't know. If you want to know what I did say, read it above. I made it bigger so you can't miss it again.
Well, gee. That doesn't help you at all here. In fact it makes matters worse for you, since not only did I never PRETEND to think that "not all professions require a license,"
This entire thread is an exercise in you doing exactly that.
Plumbers don't need a license to be plumbers.
They do in Lucas country, Ohio. Just as they do in most municipalities.
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 03:31 pm |
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Merlin wrote: Seriously, do you read the whole thread before you jump in?
This is the fourth thread where stiggy has been given link after link that joe TPH isn't legally allowed to do plumbing work in his own county. For him to coninue to claim that he has "no idea" about that means......
.... that I have no idea and absolutely zero interest in whether Joe the Plumber is a legal PLUMBER or not.
Is there any reason I should?
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 04:17 pm |
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Quanta wrote: stiggywiggy wrote: Quanta wrote: A "logic book?" Uh, yeah. But then I found out the guy who wrote the book didn't have a license as a writer. Some guy named Kant, I believe. The liar. Claimed he was an author.
Really? Tell me about which jurisdiction required Kant to have a license.
Why? Are you actually saying that if he HAD lived in a jursisdiction where the authorities (whose words you seem to respect so much) required a license from the state to be a published author, and he went ahead and wrote a book anyway, he wouldn't actually BE a writer?
The authorities in the Soviet Union did not recognize Alexander Solzhenisyn as a writer.
THEREFORE SOLZHENITSYN WAS NOT REALLY A WRITER.
Brilliant stuff, man.
I would consider him a writer, yeah. Your point?
Actually, he's dead, but that's irrelevant. The point is almost to obvious to continue stating. He wrote books. Therefore he was a writer. Joe does plumbing work. Therefore joe is a plumber.
But I think if he offered his services as a writer, knowing full well that everyone would assume that he can write legally, he would be lying. I would expect him to at least tell me that he can't write legally. Similarly, if Joe had said I'm a plumber but I'm not recognized by the county, he would not be lying.
Yeah? And if he just said, "I'm a plumber," he obviously wouldn't be lying either, since he's a plumber. Look, man. You need to strive for a little consistency here. Did you forget that it is YOU who introduced the idea of a dictionary definition being a "mere" descriptive definition. Did you forget that Joe fits that definition to atTee?
So let me ask you, and this time DO NOT IGNORE THEC QUESTION. I AM GOING TO MAKE IT BIG AND BOLD SO YOU CAN'T MISS IT:
DID JOE LIE WHEN HE SAID HE WAS A PLUMBER OR NOT?
If your answer is no, then we're in agreement (even though I'm thinking you had stated a few weeks ago that he was lying, and if so, I accept your implicit acknowledgement of your blunder).
If your answer is yes, then you need to retract your earlier comments recognizing the validity of "descriptive definitions. So answer the question.
However, since all of your points have been refuted multiple times,
And yet they haven't. Not even once; especially not by you.
You started this thread by claiming that Obama freaks are stupid because they claim that Joe lied about being a plumber.
Yep.
But if that is all that it is about, who cares?
Apparently, you for one. You've been involved in this thread more than anyone besides myself.
Even if we allow for the fact that he is a plumber but is just working illegally, why is that any better?
Any better than what?
And given the context of the discussion, was there any doubt what emmylou meant when she said he wasn't a plumber?
No doubt at all. She said he lied when he said he was a plumber. But you yourself have already implied that you KNOW emmy was full of shit, since it is YOU who supplied the "descriptive definition" in which we see that Joe is indeed a plumber.
Let's assume red means 4. Red plus red equals eight. That's a stipulative definition. When a jurisdiction defines the requirements of being a plumber, they are providing a stipulative definition (in this case, a narrowing definition) of their own.
Thanks for mentioning the "stipulative" definition. That reminds me of how you have still not explained how the stipulative definition would NEGATE the descriptive one.
Last edited on Mon Nov 10th, 2008 04:19 pm by stiggywiggy
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 04:34 pm |
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Arthur Two Sheds Gumby wrote: stiggywiggy wrote: Arthur Two Sheds Gumby wrote: Now, of course, all he's doing is pretending he doesn't know that not all professions require a license, even if some, like plumbing, do.
PRETENDING?? No, let me state in absolutely and unqualified terms that I am not PRETENDING that I believe licensed plumbing companies employ actual real live UNLICENCENSED plumbers to plumb.
Why? Well, because it is a fact.
And yet, that's not at all what I said you were pretending you didn't know.
There's no telling what you think you were telling me about what you think you said about how you're thinking I'm pretending something or another. I doubt you even know yourself.
If you want to know what I did say,
I don't really. But if you actually believe that you even know what you're talking about, go ahead. Expound on your attempts at clairvoyance regarding what you think I'm "pretending" to believe.
Failing that, you can always use the word "stiggying" in your reply. Well, actually you have a few other default positions: Don't forget, "waaaah, you don't read my stuff."
Anyway, what're ya thinking I'm "prentending" about?
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Quanta
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 06:13 pm |
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Done. The fact that you cannot accurately summarize my position in your signature (and dishonestly act as though you are quoting me) just proves that you aren't worth wasting brain cells for.
For anyone else reading this, if I engage stiggy again on this topic, feel free to shoot me.*
* This statement is only meant for those who know what a hyperbole is. Please do not purchase assault weapons on my behalf.
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Plumbers do plumbing work. Joe does plumbing work. Therefore Joe is a plumber, as I said. (stiggy - on why Joe is a plumber)
Dogs sleep. Stiggy sleeps. Therefore Stiggy is a dog. (prove stiggy is a dog using his exact logic)
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 07:32 pm |
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Toooooooooooooooold you so.
Welcome to stiggy's world.
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 07:36 pm |
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Merlin wrote: Toooooooooooooooold you so.
Welcome to stiggy's world.
Yeah, I knew you were right all along. But that hammer against my skull felt so good!
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Plumbers do plumbing work. Joe does plumbing work. Therefore Joe is a plumber, as I said. (stiggy - on why Joe is a plumber)
Dogs sleep. Stiggy sleeps. Therefore Stiggy is a dog. (prove stiggy is a dog using his exact logic)
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Merlin
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 07:58 pm |
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There are times when I will get into an insult match with stiggy, but we both know that's pretty much the purpose of the thread. Why? Because both of us are very creative with insults and can't use them here, because it makes people cry and get all pissy mean. But I rarely try to engage stiggy in a real discussion because it will inevitably degenerate into stiggying.
Anyway, welcome to the club.
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 08:05 pm |
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Quanta wrote: Done. The fact that you cannot accurately summarize my position in your signature (and dishonestly act as though you are quoting me) just proves that you aren't worth wasting brain cells for.
Yeah, right. Nice attempt to steer away from these facts:
(1). You tell us Joe lied about being a plumber, because to be a plumber one must have a license.
(2). You, yourself, provide your own refutation of your own #1 above with a dictionary definition of "plumber," in which no mention whatsoever is made of licensing, and which in fact describes exactly what Joe does for a living.
(3). To detract from the enormous egg on your face from #1 and #2 above, you then say (in effect), "duh yeah, but that's a 'DESCRIPTIVE' definition. I was speaking of a 'STIPULATIVE' definition. Joe is not a stipulative plumber and therefore he's not plumber."
I know you said you were done with this topic, but are you sure you want to leave it on such a low note?
Last edited on Mon Nov 10th, 2008 08:08 pm by stiggywiggy
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 11:49 pm |
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| As a home owner, I can make plumbing repairs, and/or do plumbing on my home without a plumbing license. Therefore, I am a plumber. You all can call me, Hiram the plumber.
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 11:50 pm |
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manonfire wrote: As a home owner, I can make plumbing repairs, and/or do plumbing on my home without a plumbing license. Therefore, I am a plumber. You all can call me, Hiram the plumber.
do you pay yourself and pay taxes as a plumber for doing jobs on your own house, hiram? must be a bit of a false economy, no?
j/k
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 11:52 pm |
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Sally-Anne wrote:
manonfire wrote: As a home owner, I can make plumbing repairs, and/or do plumbing on my home without a plumbing license. Therefore, I am a plumber. You all can call me, Hiram the plumber.
do you pay yourself and pay taxes as a plumber for doing jobs on your own house, hiram? must be a bit of a false economy, no?
j/k
I am not a professional plumber, but a plumber nonetheless.
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 11:56 pm |
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manonfire wrote: Sally-Anne wrote:
manonfire wrote: As a home owner, I can make plumbing repairs, and/or do plumbing on my home without a plumbing license. Therefore, I am a plumber. You all can call me, Hiram the plumber.
do you pay yourself and pay taxes as a plumber for doing jobs on your own house, hiram? must be a bit of a false economy, no?
j/k
I am not a professional plumber, but a plumber nonetheless.
And I am a gardener, chef, dog poop collector, cleaner, gutter clearer, painter, renovater, and all other unfathomable wonderfulness that accompanies doing jobs on my own home.
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manonfire
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Posted: Mon Nov 10th, 2008 11:59 pm |
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Sally-Anne wrote:
manonfire wrote: Sally-Anne wrote:
manonfire wrote: As a home owner, I can make plumbing repairs, and/or do plumbing on my home without a plumbing license. Therefore, I am a plumber. You all can call me, Hiram the plumber.
do you pay yourself and pay taxes as a plumber for doing jobs on your own house, hiram? must be a bit of a false economy, no?
j/k
I am not a professional plumber, but a plumber nonetheless.
And I am a gardener, chef, dog poop collector, cleaner, gutter clearer, painter, renovater, and all other unfathomable wonderfulness that accompanies doing jobs on my own home.
and you don't have a license to do any of them, right?
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Posted: Tue Nov 11th, 2008 12:06 am |
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manonfire wrote: Sally-Anne wrote:
manonfire wrote: Sally-Anne wrote:
manonfire wrote: As a home owner, I can make plumbing repairs, and/or do plumbing on my home without a plumbing license. Therefore, I am a plumber. You all can call me, Hiram the plumber.
do you pay yourself and pay taxes as a plumber for doing jobs on your own house, hiram? must be a bit of a false economy, no?
j/k
I am not a professional plumber, but a plumber nonetheless.
And I am a gardener, chef, dog poop collector, cleaner, gutter clearer, painter, renovater, and all other unfathomable wonderfulness that accompanies doing jobs on my own home.
and you don't have a license to do any of them, right?
That is correct. When Joe the Plumber went public about opening his own business, it was my understanding that he claimed to be a professional plumber, is that correct?
One of those has to have a license.
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Posted: Tue Nov 11th, 2008 12:58 am |
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| But hiram, nobody cares if you fuck up the plumbing in your own house.
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Arthur Two Sheds Gumby
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Posted: Tue Nov 11th, 2008 04:21 am |
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stiggywiggy wrote: Arthur Two Sheds Gumby wrote: If you want to know what I did say,
I don't really.
No kidding.
-- A2SG, see ya 'round, stiggy....
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