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stiggywiggy wrote: Aldaron wrote: You and declin are spending a lot of time tut-tutting over the fact that a large number of people in this place apparently recognize that buildings cannot experience emotion.
And you seem to be spending an inordinate amount of time telling us over and over that buildings can't experience emotion.
I know. It is astounding to me that I have to do so.
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Gee, Stiggy. Thanks for that.
Think nothing of it, man.
Now go back and read the definition of "terrorism" again.
OK. Here's Wikipedia:
Terrorism is the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion.[1] There is no internationally agreed definition of terrorism.[2][3] Most common definitions of terrorism include only those acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for an ideological goal (as opposed to a lone attack), and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants. Some definitions also include acts of unlawful violence and war.
So if one blows up a building where children are being killed and when no one is in the building, it obviously does not qualify as an act intended to create fear, since as we SHOULD know by now, buildings cannot expeerience fear. Is there an "ideological goal?" Is saving someone from sure death that will occur in a building an "ideological cause?" If so, then firemen are ideologists. Does it deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants? No: In fact, PRECISELY the opposite, if the bombings occur intentionally when no one is around.
Meanwhile Obama pals around with a guy who tried to actually kill PEOPLE and encouraged students to kill their parents. And even if buildings COULD experience emotion, you STILL don't have Palin palling around with bombers of empty buildings.
So you guys screwed this entire thread up.
I don't know about this one, Stiggy. This is a tricky one. At first glance it seems an obvious act of terror to bomb a building. But you said something that made me think. You likened blowing up a place where babies will be killed to ovens for jews. If someone bombed an area where jews were to be gassed, i wouldn't consider that an act of terror.
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stiggywiggy wrote: Sally-Anne wrote: Aldaron wrote: Sally-Anne wrote: Aldaron wrote: Sorry, Sal. I wish I was wrong about it
So do I. Maybe it's a huge cultural gulf or something? What do you think?
I have no idea, to be honest. Except that it's the obsessive mindset that is at work with the likes of the Taliban, which was my original point: "If you're not with me you're against me". Combine that with the fear that seems to pervade these people and it's not really surprising they cling on to anything that gives them comfort and excuse all manner of evils committed in its name.
I wish I could understand it, because you seem to deem it Christian but I am a Christian and yet I don't think like an American. I'm not taking sides either, because I acknowledge that I could well be wrong, but I have a different life experience, and come from a different culture so we wont always see eye to eye on absolutely everything.
And another thing, do you think terrorism is a new concept in America, p'haps?
You and declin are spending a lot of time tut-tutting over the fact that a large number of people in this place apparently recognize that buildings cannot experience emotion.
If it were that easy and I COULD evoke terror from a building,
Yeah, lets hope some innocent person isn't walking past an abortion clinic when they decide to bomb it. And I hope some old granny doesn't get terrified when some nutcase in her community decides they can take the law into their own hands and blow up buildings anytime they fancy.
Oh, that's right, people can't possibly be terrified at empty things being blown up. On that I'd agree, it's the nutcase bomber on the loose I'd be terrified of.
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Posted: Sun Oct 26th, 2008 07:07 pm |
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Sally-Anne wrote: stiggywiggy wrote: Sally-Anne wrote: Aldaron wrote: Sally-Anne wrote: Aldaron wrote: Sorry, Sal. I wish I was wrong about it
So do I. Maybe it's a huge cultural gulf or something? What do you think?
I have no idea, to be honest. Except that it's the obsessive mindset that is at work with the likes of the Taliban, which was my original point: "If you're not with me you're against me". Combine that with the fear that seems to pervade these people and it's not really surprising they cling on to anything that gives them comfort and excuse all manner of evils committed in its name.
I wish I could understand it, because you seem to deem it Christian but I am a Christian and yet I don't think like an American. I'm not taking sides either, because I acknowledge that I could well be wrong, but I have a different life experience, and come from a different culture so we wont always see eye to eye on absolutely everything.
And another thing, do you think terrorism is a new concept in America, p'haps?
You and declin are spending a lot of time tut-tutting over the fact that a large number of people in this place apparently recognize that buildings cannot experience emotion.
If it were that easy and I COULD evoke terror from a building,
Yeah, lets hope some innocent person isn't walking past an abortion clinic when they decide to bomb it. And I hope some old granny doesn't get terrified when some nutcase in her community decides they can take the law into their own hands and blow up buildings anytime they fancy.
Oh, that's right, people can't possibly be terrified at empty things being blown up. On that I'd agree, it's the nutcase bomber on the loose I'd be terrified of.
Stiggy struck a cord with me. All that aside, how would you feel hearing ovens were being blown up that were intended for jews? I would think that would make the bomber a hero. If the laws say that jews must be gassed and someone decides that's not right and goes against it and blows the entire thing up so that jews can't be gassed, would that strike you as a terrorist act? Idk, that analogy hit me hard.
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stiggywiggy wrote: If it were that easy and I COULD evoke terror from a building, I guess I'd start by terrorizing that Amityville House, since it seems to have started the terror. Is that it? You and declin believe in haunted houses? But I don't think that will help you here, since even the most staunch pro-lifer probably wouldn't think that abortion clinics are haunted; not even by the spirits of the millions of unborn babies who are slaughtered before having a chance to enter into yours and declin's and my world.
I'm as pro-life as it gets, but I don't believe that people can just go around employing vigilante tactics which have the potential to maime and kill other innocent people in the process just to make my point.
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Posted: Sun Oct 26th, 2008 07:11 pm |
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ToniLoryn wrote: Sally-Anne wrote: stiggywiggy wrote: Sally-Anne wrote: Aldaron wrote: Sally-Anne wrote: Aldaron wrote: Sorry, Sal. I wish I was wrong about it
So do I. Maybe it's a huge cultural gulf or something? What do you think?
I have no idea, to be honest. Except that it's the obsessive mindset that is at work with the likes of the Taliban, which was my original point: "If you're not with me you're against me". Combine that with the fear that seems to pervade these people and it's not really surprising they cling on to anything that gives them comfort and excuse all manner of evils committed in its name.
I wish I could understand it, because you seem to deem it Christian but I am a Christian and yet I don't think like an American. I'm not taking sides either, because I acknowledge that I could well be wrong, but I have a different life experience, and come from a different culture so we wont always see eye to eye on absolutely everything.
And another thing, do you think terrorism is a new concept in America, p'haps?
You and declin are spending a lot of time tut-tutting over the fact that a large number of people in this place apparently recognize that buildings cannot experience emotion.
If it were that easy and I COULD evoke terror from a building,
Yeah, lets hope some innocent person isn't walking past an abortion clinic when they decide to bomb it. And I hope some old granny doesn't get terrified when some nutcase in her community decides they can take the law into their own hands and blow up buildings anytime they fancy.
Oh, that's right, people can't possibly be terrified at empty things being blown up. On that I'd agree, it's the nutcase bomber on the loose I'd be terrified of.
Stiggy struck a cord with me. All that aside, how would you feel hearing ovens were being blown up that were intended for jews? I would think that would make the bomber a hero. If the laws say that jews must be gassed and someone decides that's not right and goes against it and blows the entire thing up so that jews can't be gassed, would that strike you as a terrorist act? Idk, that analogy hit me hard.
There were no laws that said the Jews must be gassed, that's why they were done in secret. It's not legal to commit genocide. I do regard abortion as genocide and it's a screwed up world that allows that to be legal. But I don't believe I have any right to plant a bomb somewhere which could potentially maime and kill another innocent person who may be in the vicinity, and I don't believe I am in a position to send fear through the local community by taking it upon myself to bomb a building.
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Posted: Sun Oct 26th, 2008 07:20 pm |
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Sally-Anne wrote: ToniLoryn wrote: Sally-Anne wrote: stiggywiggy wrote: Sally-Anne wrote: Aldaron wrote: Sally-Anne wrote: Aldaron wrote: Sorry, Sal. I wish I was wrong about it
So do I. Maybe it's a huge cultural gulf or something? What do you think?
I have no idea, to be honest. Except that it's the obsessive mindset that is at work with the likes of the Taliban, which was my original point: "If you're not with me you're against me". Combine that with the fear that seems to pervade these people and it's not really surprising they cling on to anything that gives them comfort and excuse all manner of evils committed in its name.
I wish I could understand it, because you seem to deem it Christian but I am a Christian and yet I don't think like an American. I'm not taking sides either, because I acknowledge that I could well be wrong, but I have a different life experience, and come from a different culture so we wont always see eye to eye on absolutely everything.
And another thing, do you think terrorism is a new concept in America, p'haps?
You and declin are spending a lot of time tut-tutting over the fact that a large number of people in this place apparently recognize that buildings cannot experience emotion.
If it were that easy and I COULD evoke terror from a building,
Yeah, lets hope some innocent person isn't walking past an abortion clinic when they decide to bomb it. And I hope some old granny doesn't get terrified when some nutcase in her community decides they can take the law into their own hands and blow up buildings anytime they fancy.
Oh, that's right, people can't possibly be terrified at empty things being blown up. On that I'd agree, it's the nutcase bomber on the loose I'd be terrified of.
Stiggy struck a cord with me. All that aside, how would you feel hearing ovens were being blown up that were intended for jews? I would think that would make the bomber a hero. If the laws say that jews must be gassed and someone decides that's not right and goes against it and blows the entire thing up so that jews can't be gassed, would that strike you as a terrorist act? Idk, that analogy hit me hard.
There were no laws that said the Jews must be gassed, that's why they were done in secret. It's not legal to commit genocide. I do regard abortion as genocide and it's a screwed up world that allows that to be legal. But I don't believe I have any right to plant a bomb somewhere which could potentially maime and kill another innocent person who may be in the vicinity, and I don't believe I am in a position to send fear through the local community by taking it upon myself to bomb a building.
Fair enough. But would you be sad to hear someone bombed the places the jews were to be gassed and even with some casualties like the soliders caring it out and a number of intended gas victims? I mean, if it meant the holocust never happened?
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Posted: Sun Oct 26th, 2008 07:35 pm |
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Sally-Anne wrote: stiggywiggy wrote: Sally-Anne wrote: Aldaron wrote: Sally-Anne wrote: Aldaron wrote: Sorry, Sal. I wish I was wrong about it
So do I. Maybe it's a huge cultural gulf or something? What do you think?
I have no idea, to be honest. Except that it's the obsessive mindset that is at work with the likes of the Taliban, which was my original point: "If you're not with me you're against me". Combine that with the fear that seems to pervade these people and it's not really surprising they cling on to anything that gives them comfort and excuse all manner of evils committed in its name.
I wish I could understand it, because you seem to deem it Christian but I am a Christian and yet I don't think like an American. I'm not taking sides either, because I acknowledge that I could well be wrong, but I have a different life experience, and come from a different culture so we wont always see eye to eye on absolutely everything.
And another thing, do you think terrorism is a new concept in America, p'haps?
You and declin are spending a lot of time tut-tutting over the fact that a large number of people in this place apparently recognize that buildings cannot experience emotion.
If it were that easy and I COULD evoke terror from a building,
Yeah, lets hope some innocent person isn't walking past an abortion clinic when they decide to bomb it.
Let's hope not. But since we can't be sure, that's yet another good reason that the people that I called dumbasses should NOT blow up abortion clinics. But that doesn't make them terrorists. A terrorist blows shit up to (a). make an ideological point or (b). to instill terror in people.
If someone blows up an abortion clinic for the sole purpose of saving the lives of one or two unborn babies scheduled for death within the building the next day or the day after, he does not literally qualify as a terrorist by either (a) or (b) above.
But we're all making too big an issue out of a word. How do the deeds of the "building only" bomber differ from Ayers? Well, Ayers wanted to kill people; he boasted of it. He even advised kids to off their parents. He bombed a judge's home.
And has Palin had any association that anyone knows of with abortion clinic bombers? Or does anyone still remember the subject of the post that started this thread?
Last edited on Sun Oct 26th, 2008 07:36 pm by stiggywiggy
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stiggywiggy wrote: Sally-Anne wrote: stiggywiggy wrote: Sally-Anne wrote: Aldaron wrote: Sally-Anne wrote: Aldaron wrote: Sorry, Sal. I wish I was wrong about it
So do I. Maybe it's a huge cultural gulf or something? What do you think?
I have no idea, to be honest. Except that it's the obsessive mindset that is at work with the likes of the Taliban, which was my original point: "If you're not with me you're against me". Combine that with the fear that seems to pervade these people and it's not really surprising they cling on to anything that gives them comfort and excuse all manner of evils committed in its name.
I wish I could understand it, because you seem to deem it Christian but I am a Christian and yet I don't think like an American. I'm not taking sides either, because I acknowledge that I could well be wrong, but I have a different life experience, and come from a different culture so we wont always see eye to eye on absolutely everything.
And another thing, do you think terrorism is a new concept in America, p'haps?
You and declin are spending a lot of time tut-tutting over the fact that a large number of people in this place apparently recognize that buildings cannot experience emotion.
If it were that easy and I COULD evoke terror from a building,
Yeah, lets hope some innocent person isn't walking past an abortion clinic when they decide to bomb it.
Let's hope not. But since we can't be sure, that's yet another good reason that the people that I called dumbasses should NOT blow up abortion clinics. But that doesn't make them terrorists. A terrorist blows shit up to (a). make an ideological point or (b). to instill terror in people.
If someone blows up an abortion clinic for the sole purpose of saving the lives of one or two unborn babies scheduled for death within the building the next day or the day after, he does not literally qualify as a terrorist by either (a) or (b) above.
But we're all making too big an issue out of a word. How do the deeds of the "building only" bomber differ from Ayers? Well, Ayers wanted to kill people; he boasted of it. He even advised kids to off their parents. He bombed a judge's home.
And has Palin had any association that anyone knows of with abortion clinic bombers? Or does anyone still remember the subject of the post that started this thread?
No i don't remember and don't care. I only got into it because of something you said. The topic of interest for me was is it a terrorits act to bomb a building in which people will be killed when they shouldn't be.
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ToniLoryn wrote: stiggywiggy wrote: Sally-Anne wrote: stiggywiggy wrote: Sally-Anne wrote: Aldaron wrote: Sally-Anne wrote: Aldaron wrote: Sorry, Sal. I wish I was wrong about it
So do I. Maybe it's a huge cultural gulf or something? What do you think?
I have no idea, to be honest. Except that it's the obsessive mindset that is at work with the likes of the Taliban, which was my original point: "If you're not with me you're against me". Combine that with the fear that seems to pervade these people and it's not really surprising they cling on to anything that gives them comfort and excuse all manner of evils committed in its name.
I wish I could understand it, because you seem to deem it Christian but I am a Christian and yet I don't think like an American. I'm not taking sides either, because I acknowledge that I could well be wrong, but I have a different life experience, and come from a different culture so we wont always see eye to eye on absolutely everything.
And another thing, do you think terrorism is a new concept in America, p'haps?
You and declin are spending a lot of time tut-tutting over the fact that a large number of people in this place apparently recognize that buildings cannot experience emotion.
If it were that easy and I COULD evoke terror from a building,
Yeah, lets hope some innocent person isn't walking past an abortion clinic when they decide to bomb it.
Let's hope not. But since we can't be sure, that's yet another good reason that the people that I called dumbasses should NOT blow up abortion clinics. But that doesn't make them terrorists. A terrorist blows shit up to (a). make an ideological point or (b). to instill terror in people.
If someone blows up an abortion clinic for the sole purpose of saving the lives of one or two unborn babies scheduled for death within the building the next day or the day after, he does not literally qualify as a terrorist by either (a) or (b) above.
But we're all making too big an issue out of a word. How do the deeds of the "building only" bomber differ from Ayers? Well, Ayers wanted to kill people; he boasted of it. He even advised kids to off their parents. He bombed a judge's home.
And has Palin had any association that anyone knows of with abortion clinic bombers? Or does anyone still remember the subject of the post that started this thread?
No i don't remember and don't care.
Sorry, I was talking to sally-anne. Give Nunny and Simmy a swipe for me and we'll both be OK.  Now if anyone ever bombed a Pet Smart on a Saturday "adopt-a-pet" afternoon, I'd consider him a terrorist of the highest level.
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stiggywiggy wrote: ToniLoryn wrote: stiggywiggy wrote: Sally-Anne wrote: stiggywiggy wrote: Sally-Anne wrote: Aldaron wrote: Sally-Anne wrote: Aldaron wrote: Sorry, Sal. I wish I was wrong about it
So do I. Maybe it's a huge cultural gulf or something? What do you think?
I have no idea, to be honest. Except that it's the obsessive mindset that is at work with the likes of the Taliban, which was my original point: "If you're not with me you're against me". Combine that with the fear that seems to pervade these people and it's not really surprising they cling on to anything that gives them comfort and excuse all manner of evils committed in its name.
I wish I could understand it, because you seem to deem it Christian but I am a Christian and yet I don't think like an American. I'm not taking sides either, because I acknowledge that I could well be wrong, but I have a different life experience, and come from a different culture so we wont always see eye to eye on absolutely everything.
And another thing, do you think terrorism is a new concept in America, p'haps?
You and declin are spending a lot of time tut-tutting over the fact that a large number of people in this place apparently recognize that buildings cannot experience emotion.
If it were that easy and I COULD evoke terror from a building,
Yeah, lets hope some innocent person isn't walking past an abortion clinic when they decide to bomb it.
Let's hope not. But since we can't be sure, that's yet another good reason that the people that I called dumbasses should NOT blow up abortion clinics. But that doesn't make them terrorists. A terrorist blows shit up to (a). make an ideological point or (b). to instill terror in people.
If someone blows up an abortion clinic for the sole purpose of saving the lives of one or two unborn babies scheduled for death within the building the next day or the day after, he does not literally qualify as a terrorist by either (a) or (b) above.
But we're all making too big an issue out of a word. How do the deeds of the "building only" bomber differ from Ayers? Well, Ayers wanted to kill people; he boasted of it. He even advised kids to off their parents. He bombed a judge's home.
And has Palin had any association that anyone knows of with abortion clinic bombers? Or does anyone still remember the subject of the post that started this thread?
No i don't remember and don't care.
Sorry, I was talking to sally-anne. Give Nunny and Simmy a swipe for me and we'll both be OK. Now if anyone ever bombed a Pet Smart on a Saturday "adopt-a-pet" afternoon, I'd consider him a terrorist of the highest level.
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ToniLoryn wrote: Fair enough. But would you be sad to hear someone bombed the places the jews were to be gassed and even with some casualties like the soliders caring it out and a number of intended gas victims? I mean, if it meant the holocust never happened?
Well, like many of Stiggy's "what-if's" they're not rooted in reality so the question is irrelevant.
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stiggywiggy wrote: Sally-Anne wrote: stiggywiggy wrote: Sally-Anne wrote: Aldaron wrote: Sally-Anne wrote: Aldaron wrote: Sorry, Sal. I wish I was wrong about it
So do I. Maybe it's a huge cultural gulf or something? What do you think?
I have no idea, to be honest. Except that it's the obsessive mindset that is at work with the likes of the Taliban, which was my original point: "If you're not with me you're against me". Combine that with the fear that seems to pervade these people and it's not really surprising they cling on to anything that gives them comfort and excuse all manner of evils committed in its name.
I wish I could understand it, because you seem to deem it Christian but I am a Christian and yet I don't think like an American. I'm not taking sides either, because I acknowledge that I could well be wrong, but I have a different life experience, and come from a different culture so we wont always see eye to eye on absolutely everything.
And another thing, do you think terrorism is a new concept in America, p'haps?
You and declin are spending a lot of time tut-tutting over the fact that a large number of people in this place apparently recognize that buildings cannot experience emotion.
If it were that easy and I COULD evoke terror from a building,
Yeah, lets hope some innocent person isn't walking past an abortion clinic when they decide to bomb it.
Let's hope not. But since we can't be sure, that's yet another good reason that the people that I called dumbasses should NOT blow up abortion clinics. But that doesn't make them terrorists. A terrorist blows shit up to (a). make an ideological point or (b). to instill terror in people.
If someone blows up an abortion clinic for the sole purpose of saving the lives of one or two unborn babies scheduled for death within the building the next day or the day after, he does not literally qualify as a terrorist by either (a) or (b) above.
But we're all making too big an issue out of a word. How do the deeds of the "building only" bomber differ from Ayers? Well, Ayers wanted to kill people; he boasted of it. He even advised kids to off their parents. He bombed a judge's home.
And has Palin had any association that anyone knows of with abortion clinic bombers? Or does anyone still remember the subject of the post that started this thread?
I'm not interested in any of Palins associations. I regard the bombing of abortion clinics as terrorism. She disagrees. Cest la vie.
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stiggywiggy wrote: Let's hope not. But since we can't be sure, that's yet another good reason that the people that I called dumbasses should NOT blow up abortion clinics. But that doesn't make them terrorists. A terrorist blows shit up to (a). make an ideological point or (b). to instill terror in people.
If someone blows up an abortion clinic for the sole purpose of saving the lives of one or two unborn babies scheduled for death within the building the next day or the day after, he does not literally qualify as a terrorist by either (a) or (b) above.
Not even if he should accidentally kill an innocent person in his bombing? You would still regard him as a "dumbass" not accountable under the law for his terrorist action? Oh right, he's not a terrorist so he can't be held accountable according to you because he just accidentally killed someone. He's not a terrorist, he's just a silly man according to you.
Gee, lets hope one of your loved ones never gets caught up in the bungled bombing of the "dumbass" you're describing here. You'll have to be reminded that the end justified the means even if it meant your loved one died as a result of someone elses "dumbass" actions.
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Posted: Sun Oct 26th, 2008 10:12 pm |
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Fair enough. But would you be sad to hear someone bombed the places the jews were to be gassed and even with some casualties like the soliders caring it out and a number of intended gas victims? I mean, if it meant the holocust never happened?
Okay, let's say I think Walmart is evil. It rips off its workers. It mistreats them. Its anti-competitive practices destroy the livelihoods of small business owners. It sources products from the fruits of child slave labour.
Should I be called a terrorist for going out and blowing up Walmarts at 3 AM? Abso-fucking-lutely!
There are two important points here:
1) Stiggy seems to be under the impression that abortion clinic bombers are vewy vewy careful not to hurt anyone. Nothing could be further from the truth. Google "Nuremberg Files" to see just how "careful" they are.
2) You can take Stiggy's analogy any way you wish, and claim that abortion clinics are a new Holocaust which must be stopped at all costs. But you then open the door for anyone to make similar claims about anything. "I'm just fighting the good fight against the evil oppressors!" becomes the catchcry, and the word "terrorist" becomes precisely what Stiggy and his ilk would like it to be: a label applied to Muslims that blow up buildings.
This entire debate is precisely what I said would happen, right at the outset. fundie Christians agree with Sarah Palin. They don't think blowing up abortion clinics is terrorism, because they think abortion clinics are a Bad Thing.
The Taliban don't think blowing up Americans is terrorism, because America is a Bad Thing.
It's all 100% point-of-view dependent, and exactly why I continue to maintain that Christian fundamentalist theocracy is every bit as scary as Muslim fundamentalist theocracy: NorrinRadd, Cajun, Josh, Hiram, Coadie continue to demonstrate this.
Stiggy? Well, he's just being Stiggy and being pedantic about definitions. He's even tried to deflect back onto me by starting a new thread about medical definitions.
Oh, and I've ragged on his beloved Sarah, so he's getting all manly...
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Posted: Sun Oct 26th, 2008 10:16 pm |
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Aldaron wrote: It's all 100% point-of-view dependent, and exactly why I continue to maintain that Christian fundamentalist theocracy is every bit as scary as Muslim fundamentalist theocracy: NorrinRadd, Cajun, Josh, Hiram, Coadie continue to demonstrate this.
Well, they all agree up to a point, but you put one of their loved ones who accidentally gets killed walking past a bungled bombing of one of their "dumbasses" and I think you'll find that their position changes pretty swiftly. No doubt they'd be baying for the blood of the "dumbass."
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Posted: Sun Oct 26th, 2008 10:19 pm |
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Aldaron wrote: Stiggy? Well, he's just being Stiggy and being pedantic about definitions.
He's splitting hairs. But according to his reasonings, a "dumbass" would get off scott free due to a technicality even if they killed someone.
I can see it now ----> "He was just a dumbass your Honour, and bombed the place because he is a dumbass, he is not responsible for the death of the innocent person who happened to be walking past."
Oh well, in that case, let the dumbass go free, he's not guilty of anything except being a dumbass.
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Aldaron
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Posted: Sun Oct 26th, 2008 10:20 pm |
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Here's the website for some of Stiggy's "non-terrorists".
Army of God
Take note: the images on the page didn't come up on my browser, so I have no idea what they are. Be aware they could well be graphic images of aborted foetuses (oh, I'm sorry Stiggy....did I use a medical term again?) for all I know.
And some news on these non-terrorists:
Army of God involvement in terrorist activities
Or a book review and article on anti-abortion violence:
Targets of Hatred
I especially liked the paragraph:
No other area of medicine in the United States forces a doctor to hire full-time security, wear bullet-proof vests, and worry that they may not be alive for their families tomorrow. The tactics of intimidation include sabotage, stalking, arson, bombings, murder, chemical attacks, and more - all over the course of the last two decades.
Oh, but, noooooo! It's not terrorism!
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Posted: Sun Oct 26th, 2008 10:25 pm |
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Stiggy, if it were anything other than abortion clinics, they would all agree with you.
Do you have brain damage or something? "If it were anything other than abortion clinics" I'd think it wasn't terrorism?
You'd better amend that to "anything other than abortion clinics or Walmarts", because I've used that as an example of terrorism, too. What else do you magically think I believe it isn't terrorism to blow up? Pet stores? Shoe shops? The Oklahoma City Federal Building?
In fact, your comment would be more applicable to yourself: if it was anything other than an abortion clinic, you would agree that it was terrorism.
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Posted: Sun Oct 26th, 2008 10:25 pm |
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manonfire wrote: Stiggy, if it were anything other than abortion clinics, they would all agree with you.
No, I wouldn't, it's you lot who view terrorism selectively, not me.
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