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Carol2
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Posted: Mon Sep 29th, 2008 04:43 pm |
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HardyHeaven wrote: Carol2 wrote: I agree, fair question. My proclaimation of the Lord could just be lip service. I don't really feel like I need to repent of the ganja. 
If you ever do feel the need, know that there is some excellent sobriety being had in the Chicago area. I spoke with two women at a meeting yesterday who got sober in Chicago. They mentioned all the Alano clubs and hangouts, and said Chicago is da bomb when it comes to getting clean/sober. 
I'll keep that in mind f I ever find myself with a drug or alcohol problem.
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Posted: Mon Sep 29th, 2008 05:32 pm |
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Carol2 wrote: HardyHeaven wrote: Carol2 wrote: I agree, fair question. My proclaimation of the Lord could just be lip service. I don't really feel like I need to repent of the ganja.
If you ever do feel the need, know that there is some excellent sobriety being had in the Chicago area. I spoke with two women at a meeting yesterday who got sober in Chicago. They mentioned all the Alano clubs and hangouts, and said Chicago is da bomb when it comes to getting clean/sober.
I'll keep that in mind f I ever find myself with a drug or alcohol problem.
Cool!
Just remember that admitting you have a problem is the first step toward the solution. 
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Posted: Mon Sep 29th, 2008 07:39 pm |
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Thank you, Pearls, for more UR theology.
The fact remains that every evangelical, charismatic, pentecostal, fundamentalist, and emergent church would insist an unrepentant, continuing drug user cannot be saved-- and that would be millions of people.
My stance is and has been that people do not know who is saved and who isn't and it is just as arrogant to prance around claiming one is certainly saved as to claim one is certainly not saved.
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Posted: Mon Sep 29th, 2008 08:04 pm |
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I`ve said that before too, and more . . . like, is there REALLY any point in soteriological discussions - OSAS, predestinationism, born-againism - if they don`t provide us a real way to actually discern whether ANY actual, real persons are really and actually "saved," including ourselves?
. . . and as Carol suggests above, they don't! . . . and i think i made that very argument to ben19xx in my third post or so, here, too
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Posted: Mon Sep 29th, 2008 08:52 pm |
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Carol2 wrote: Is that what the "emerging church" teaches or have you moved on again?
Yeah. It's part of our attempts to "re-imagine" God.
It's the modern equivalent of Jesus "re-imaginging" God as the "bread of life." Today's youth don't relate to bread, so we describe God as spaghetti instead.
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Yoda (?) Torq-
In that case, maybe today's youth would better understand it all if your group referred to God as a 'text message' instead of pasta.
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Posted: Wed Oct 1st, 2008 01:22 am |
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Merlin wrote: Thank you, Pearls, for more UR theology.
The fact remains that every evangelical, charismatic, pentecostal, fundamentalist, and emergent church would insist an unrepentant, continuing drug user cannot be saved-- and that would be millions of people.
My stance is and has been that people do not know who is saved and who isn't and it is just as arrogant to prance around claiming one is certainly saved as to claim one is certainly not saved.
Really? I was under the impression that you may be leaning toward UR theology, above & regardless of the others.
And I don't think it is arrogant to 'prance around' proclaiming the total victory of the Lord on the cross, for all mankind, that when He was lifted up, He drew all to Himself on that cross to take away the sins of the world, and that all who look to Him are healed. (and all will in God's time)
Look at what He went through- as much as any of us *can* understand that event. If anything, to know that His work there accomplished all it was set out to do, and 'is finished' - that unfailing love and unmerited favor to all--doesn't leave me with any feeling of pride or arrogance--but of gratitude, awe, and expectation.
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Posted: Wed Oct 1st, 2008 02:01 am |
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Carol, you believe that some people are God's children, and some people are not God's children? Who's children are they, then?
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emmylou wrote: Carol, you believe that some people are God's children, and some people are not God's children? Who's children are they, then?
The debil's,...
or that spahgetti feller's
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PearlsSand2 wrote: Yoda (?) Torq-
In that case, maybe today's youth would better understand it all if your group referred to God as a 'text message' instead of pasta. YO: No, we describe the Bible as a 'text message' from God.
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Posted: Wed Oct 1st, 2008 03:46 pm |
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emmylou wrote: Carol, you believe that some people are God's children, and some people are not God's children? Who's children are they, then?
Take a wild guess, Emmylou.
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Posted: Wed Oct 1st, 2008 05:07 pm |
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Don't be coy. Whose children?
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Posted: Wed Oct 1st, 2008 07:22 pm |
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Satan/the devil/the Father of Lies...who else?
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Posted: Wed Oct 1st, 2008 07:50 pm |
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So let me get this straight, Carol... you think that some people, such as yourself, are the children of God, and some people are the children of Satan?
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Carol2
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Posted: Wed Oct 1st, 2008 08:24 pm |
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Check out John 8:44
44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
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Posted: Wed Oct 1st, 2008 09:34 pm |
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So does this mean that you think some people are the children of God and some people are the children of Satan? There are some human people that are the children of Satan? Who are these people?
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Posted: Thu Oct 2nd, 2008 12:03 am |
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| Ooh! Ooh! I know! Me, me!! *Waves hand*
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Torquemada wrote: Ooh! Ooh! I know! Me, me!! *Waves hand*
leprachaun's . . . leprachauns mating with humans?
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Posted: Thu Oct 2nd, 2008 11:23 am |
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| Um.... what?
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Posted: Thu Oct 2nd, 2008 01:51 pm |
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emmylou wrote: So let me get this straight, Carol... you think that some people, such as yourself, are the children of God, and some people are the children of Satan?
Bingo!
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