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yoki
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 02:31 am |
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So gays have an agenda, but no one is explaining what that is. Since probably most posters here are heterosexuals, do we have an agenda too? If we heterosexuals have an agenda, could someone please explain what that would be? I don't like to be left out on things, ya know.
Ooooo, maybe you could send me a PM about it if you don't want to discuss this issue in public. I know this is a discussion board, but ... ya know....
Thanks.
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Carol2
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 03:11 am |
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Everyone's got an agenda. 
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 03:17 am |
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So what IS the gay agenda?
It isn't fair to accuse people of something and then not give them a chance to even know what you're accusing them of, let alone to affirm or deny the allegation.
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Carol2
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 04:05 am |
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Candace, do you really care what I think? You're just hoping for some rope so you can try to hang me with it. I'm done playing that game. Sorry.
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yoki
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 04:14 am |
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Carol2 wrote: Everyone's got an agenda.
Well we all know the fundie agenda: to spread the word about a god who loves us so much that he sacrificed his own son on our behalf.
I'm only guessing now, but I think the heterosexual agenda probably has something to do with trying to out reproduce the gays. It seems a losing battle to me though, cuz those gays love sex far more than us, and will out reproduce us with their hands tied behind their backs.
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 04:14 am |
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If that's what I wanted to do, I'd tell you to go fuck yourself and move on to another conversation, carol. Don't find trouble where there isn't any.
Yes, I really want to know what you think. I sit every day and watch literally millions and millions of dollars spent on getting anti-gay marriage referendums on ballots, wondering why churches would spend money like that with so many people homeless and starving and kids living in cars and old people eating out of garbage cans and I simply don't understand it.
I've never, ever seen anybody able to say a single way that gay marriage affects their marriage. I mean, how long has Massacusetts had gay marriage? Five, six years? IN that time, their divorce rate has dropped to pre-WWII levels-- so I don't know how same sex marriage has adversely affected hetero marriage in an way at all there.
I know that back when I worked for the Anita Bryant crowd, I believed everything I was told about gays molesting everybody they could get their hands on, and I found out it simply isn't true. I can tell you the foolishness I believed about the gay agenda back then, but I have no idea what people believe now.
The only thing that I know that GLBTT people want is marriage equality and the repeal of DOMA and Don't Ask, Don't Tell. Other than that, I think we want pretty much the same things everybody does.
So yes, I'd like to know what you think. I won't say that I'll agree with you and if you start shoveling crap and expect me to agree with it just because you said so, that isn't going to happen.... but if you'll keep it civil, so will I. So respond however you want.
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yoki
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 04:15 am |
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Carol2 wrote: Candace, do you really care what I think? You're just hoping for some rope so you can try to hang me with it. I'm done playing that game. Sorry.
Carol, I think you kicked your own bucket already with your own rope already around your neck.
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Carol2
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 04:19 am |
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| Whatever.
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 04:30 am |
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Is that my answer, "whatever?"
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Carol2
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 04:37 am |
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That's my answer to Yoki.
I appreciate your tone, Candace, but really, I don't want to discuss this with you. You and I have different perspectives on the subject and that isn't going to change. I do understand how you (and other liberal minded people) feel about the subject, but I don't believe you would be able to understand, or respect, how I feel.
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yoki
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 04:42 am |
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Carol2 wrote: That's my answer to Yoki.
I appreciate your tone, Candace, but really, I don't want to discuss this with you. You and I have different perspectives on the subject and that isn't going to change. I do understand how you (and other liberal minded people) feel about the subject, but I don't believe you would be able to understand, or respect, how I feel.
I wonder what the Afro-American agenda is. Anyone know?
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 04:46 am |
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| I never said our respective opinions would change. I simply asked if you would tell us what you mean by "gay agenda." If you don't want to do that, fine.
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 05:09 am |
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Carol2 wrote: I do understand how you (and other liberal minded people) feel about the subject,
I highly doubt that. At least, based on your posts here, anyway.
but I don't believe you would be able to understand, or respect, how I feel.
Actually, most "liberal-minded people" do respect how you feel.
See, while all of us "liberal-minded people" may not agree on everything, one thing the vast majority of us do agree on is the fundamental right of all people to feel however they may, and the right to freely express themselves about it.
We, of course, reserve the right to disagree, and to say so.
-- A2SG, and if you don't get that, you don't get us "liberal-minded people".....
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 06:25 am |
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Of course you have the right to disagree, and I DO understand how each and every one of you feel about all kinds of stuff. Gays need to be loved and accepted into the community. Gays should be able to marry their partners. Children shouldn't be confused or weirded out when they see two boys kissing. I understand all that and I believe, if you closed your eyes and imagined for a little while, you would probably realize you already know what I think too, and you will deem me judgmental, bigoted and/or stupid for my views.
I realize this may frustrate some of you, but there are some things I just don't see any point in discussing here anymore. I'm really sorry. Just deal with it.
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Carol2
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 06:25 am |
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Of course you have the right to disagree, and I DO understand how each and every one of you feel about all kinds of stuff. Gays need to be loved and accepted into the community. Gays should be able to marry their partners. Children shouldn't be confused or weirded out when they see two boys kissing. I understand all that and I believe, if you closed your eyes and imagined for a little while, you would probably realize you already know what I think too, and you will deem me judgmental, bigoted and/or stupid for my views.
I realize this may frustrate some of you, but there are some things I just don't see any point in discussing here anymore. I'm really sorry. Just deal with it.
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 06:37 am |
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Carol2 wrote: Of course you have the right to disagree, and I DO understand how each and every one of you feel about all kinds of stuff. Gays need to be loved and accepted into the community.
And, right off the bat, you misunderstand.
See, gays are ALREADY part of the community. They always have been.
Gays should be able to marry their partners.
Sure, just like everyone else in the community.
Children shouldn't be confused or weirded out when they see two boys kissing.
Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. Not really an issue, since the government does not, and cannot, regulate who may or may not be "weirded out" by something.
I understand all that and I believe, if you closed your eyes and imagined for a little while, you would probably realize you already know what I think too, and you will deem me judgmental, bigoted and/or stupid for my views.
I'd never call you stupid, Carol.
I realize this may frustrate some of you, but there are some things I just don't see any point in discussing here anymore. I'm really sorry. Just deal with it.
I understand completely. You have no problem coming here to say stuff, but having a conversation about that stuff is beneath you.
I get it, really.
-- A2SG, just happy to have you grace us lowly people with your shiny presence when you deign to do so, that's all.....
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 07:13 am |
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yoki wrote: So gays have an agenda, but no one is explaining what that is. Since probably most posters here are heterosexuals, do we have an agenda too? If we heterosexuals have an agenda, could someone please explain what that would be?
Spicy sausage!
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 08:51 am |
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Carol2 wrote: I understand all that and I believe, if you closed your eyes and imagined for a little while, you would probably realize you already know what I think too, and you will deem me judgmental, bigoted and/or stupid for my views.
I honestly don't know what you think. Obviously, it has something to do with your religion.
But I get a little confused, here. You say that individual gay people don't have evil agendas. You obviously can talk to gay people with civility and enjoy their company.
So do you really think your God wants you to actively work at making these peoples' lives a little more unpleasant? At denying them rights you take for granted?
Is that what you think God is? A guy who has an "agenda" of his own but won't be able to get it carried out unless people just like you work to pass legislation deeming yourselves superior to the rest of His creation?
I think maybe some people really do see God that way - and that's just one of the insanities that comes from anthropomorphizing God. He starts turning into a guy with political views.
You'd agree with the statement "God is neither a Democrat nor a Republican," wouldn't you? But you seem to be turning this civil rights issue into a religious issue. And when spirituality and politics bleed together - well, that makes for bad politics, and even worse spirituality.
Here's the bottom line to me. Denying civil rights to a group for no rational reason is an evil thing. Using the metaphor of God as a sentient being, if God wanted us to do that evil thing on its behalf, God would be evil. But God isn't evil, and therefore, God cannot possibly want that.
I'm starting to see that you're not coming out and stating your beliefs because you know everyone will find them "judgmental, bigoted and/or stupid." So maybe you're thinking something like "I know these beliefs appear wicked, but God wants them, and therefore they can't be wicked."
That's exactly the thought process that lead to all those horrible religious atrocities the Church is so eager to put behind it, from the Inquisition to the genocide of the Natives. Maybe a better thought process is: "I know these beliefs appear wicked, and God gives us the ability to see what is wicked, so perhaps this isn't what God wants at all."
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yoki
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 02:32 pm |
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Carol2 wrote: Of course you have the right to disagree, and I DO understand how each and every one of you feel about all kinds of stuff. Gays need to be loved and accepted into the community. Gays should be able to marry their partners. Children shouldn't be confused or weirded out when they see two boys kissing. I understand all that and I believe, if you closed your eyes and imagined for a little while, you would probably realize you already know what I think too, and you will deem me judgmental, bigoted and/or stupid for my views.
I realize this may frustrate some of you, but there are some things I just don't see any point in discussing here anymore. I'm really sorry. Just deal with it.
So I assume you don't believe what others here believe about gays. Perhaps you believe just the opposite. For instance:
- Gays need to be hated and rejected from the community
- Gays should not be allowed to marry
- Children should be confused and shocked when they see two boys kissing
So what I did was closed my eyes and imagined for a little while. This is what I saw: gays being run out of town, beaten, assaulted and brutally murdered by vigilantes, with bystanders applauding this mayhem and death, while singing, "Onward Christian Soldiers."
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 05:06 pm |
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yoki wrote:
So what I did was closed my eyes and imagined for a little while. This is what I saw: gays being run out of town, beaten, assaulted and brutally murdered by vigilantes, with bystanders applauding this mayhem and death, while singing, "Onward Christian Soldiers."
Guess I was wrong. You can open your eyes now.
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