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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 09:32 pm |
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You do try really hard to bait me, don'tcha ya?
So tell me where I'm wrong, carol:
carol isn't a fundy. Are you a fundy? I don't think you'll claim to be, so that isn't wrong.
She knows a few godislove verses, Have you memorized a bunch of judgement/damnation verses from the bible, or is your memorization confined pretty much to the god is love/mercy verses? If you admit the truth, you can recall some god is love stuff, but not so much--if any-- hellfire and damnation stuff. So that isn't wrong either.
doesn't have a clue what the bible says, Have you read the bible cover to cover? Do you read commentaries on the bible? Do you listen to church teachings about the bible? Do you go to any kind of bible school at all? If not, how can you calim you know what the bible says? You don't, so that one isn't wrong either. You know SOME of what the bible says, but a very small part of it.
and ignores what she DOES know except for a general, warm-fuzzy idea that Jesus will love her no matter what she does or doesn't do. That's the attitude you've given a hundred times over here. Are you going to deny it now?
A simple question will prove me correct: Do you think god will punish you because you smoke reefer?
Fundies condmen that as "easy-believism" and it's a sure sign that whoever espouses it isn't really saved, and will burn in hell forever unless they properly repent and pray an acceptable sinner's prayer. Whether you like it or not, that's what fundies believe. Either one believes every word in the bible as literal and knows the exact time and place they prayed to receive Jesus as Savior, or they're going to hell. I don't think you qualify on either point.
So, again-- what lie did I tell, trying to "bait" you?
Last edited on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 09:35 pm by Merlin
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 11:12 pm |
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I think the gay agenda is identical to the Civil Rights agenda--to be accepted as you are, to be treated as equal in every way, to have the exact same rights as everyone else in society.
Currently being gay in most parts of the country is like being an African-American "passing" as white in Mississippi circa 1952. Constant vigilance, inability to openly admit the most fundamental facts about oneself, unable to marry whoever you choose, made fun of, and so on. Hell, blacks were allowed into the military throughout our history and the military was fully integrated shortly after WW2, so being gay in 2009 is in some ways worse than being black in 1945. The agenda is to put an end to all that.
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yoki
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Posted: Sat Sep 26th, 2009 03:16 am |
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Evelyn wrote: I think the gay agenda is identical to the Civil Rights agenda--to be accepted as you are, to be treated as equal in every way, to have the exact same rights as everyone else in society.
Currently being gay in most parts of the country is like being an African-American "passing" as white in Mississippi circa 1952. Constant vigilance, inability to openly admit the most fundamental facts about oneself, unable to marry whoever you choose, made fun of, and so on. Hell, blacks were allowed into the military throughout our history and the military was fully integrated shortly after WW2, so being gay in 2009 is in some ways worse than being black in 1945. The agenda is to put an end to all that.
But being black was never a sin to even the most ardent white racist. That is the difference, Evelyn. I have a feeling that people having the "religious right" mentality, do not see the gay agenda as being one of civil rights, but rather, an agenda of poisoning the minds of young people to accept sin as normal. As we all have heard that evangelical mantra "homosexuality is a sin," but they can never quote book, chapter and verse.
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Merlin
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Posted: Sat Sep 26th, 2009 04:22 am |
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I guess that carol's beliefs about homosexuality and homosexuals are so awful that's she's ashamed to publically admit to them.
Yeah, people are racist and prejudiced but when it comes to how they feel about homosexuals, they lose their minds.
You have no idea what it's like to live knowing that people hate you that much.
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yoki
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Posted: Sun Sep 27th, 2009 04:00 pm |
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Merlin wrote: I guess that carol's beliefs about homosexuality and homosexuals are so awful that's she's ashamed to publically admit to them.
Yeah, people are racist and prejudiced but when it comes to how they feel about homosexuals, they lose their minds.
You have no idea what it's like to live knowing that people hate you that much.
The religious right, and the religious right-minded, like Carol, do not want society to sanction the "sin" of homosexuality. Some of them believe, that if society does this, then god's wrath will be poured down upon any nation doing so. The Westboro Baptist Church, it seems, has become the conscience of the religious right - and that is a frightening thought.
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Posted: Mon Sep 28th, 2009 12:27 am |
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Here's what really gets me: (unnamed person) will read Bible verses about obeying the laws of the land and obeying authorities (like police ) yet will think NOTHING of buying a bag of reefer, which is against the law and thus against the bible. They just ignore that. They, like everybody else here, totally ignore every line of scripture that talks about their own bad habits. Half the "christians" here have been divorced and remarried. They totally ignore every verse that deals with their own life.
Getting drunk? Whatever.... Using drugs? Boredom...Stealing from their employer? Yawn........... Cheatng on taxes? Uh huh....... Cheating on their spouse? *whateeeeever* Homosexuality? That is a SIN against GODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
They point out every syllable about homosexuality (even though it doesn't mean what they think it does) and INSIST that the entire world must obey THOSE scriptures.
How can they ignore the majority of scripture but focus a microscope on a small part of it?
Oh yeah, they're hypocrits. I forget for a minute.
But we'll never know because carol will only talk to Hyperbole in PMs (because the brokeboarders consider him emotionally vulnerable and a potential candidate for conversion and maybe he's easier to manipulate with christianspeak in private.)
*rolls eyes*
You know, sorry to pick on you, carol, but you're the one who brought up the "gay agenda" and then admitted your views shouldn't even be voiced in a non-christian venue.
You find it absolutely fine that my entire life has to be legislated by some crap from your bible... it controls where I can work, whether or not I get promoted, where I can live, where I can go to church... who I can marry, who inherits my property, even who can visit me if I'm in the hospital, who can make end of life or emergency decisions for me...
But if someone here as much as SQUEAKS about your use of illegal drugs, you rip into them and tell them WHO the FUCK are they to judge you? Who the FUCK is anybody to tell you what you can and can't do? In fact, every person on your little board does the same thing. The bible says don't divorce???? FUCK YOU, don't tell me what to do. The bible says don't get drunk??? FUCK YOU don't tell me what to do.
You seriously get off your chain if somebody dares mention one of your bad habits.
Why, then, do you think you can judge me and applaud rules made to take away my civil rights?
You won't tolerate anybody even TALKING to you about your rights, but you agree that mine should be taken away.
Do you see anything wrong with that?
Oh, I know you won't answer.... but there's no way in hell you can stop yourself from reading. Perhaps you might eventually see the injustice of your stance on homosexuality and change your ways. Who knows.
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Posted: Mon Sep 28th, 2009 03:25 pm |
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Merlin wrote: You won't tolerate anybody even TALKING to you about your rights, but you agree that mine should be taken away.
Do you see anything wrong with that?
I believe the first principle of hypocrisy, is that the hypocrite can not see it. Jesus called them blind. At least Jesus knew human nature far better than he did prophecy.
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Posted: Mon Sep 28th, 2009 03:50 pm |
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he did seem to have a pretty good grasp of human nature, didn't he ...
does 'not knowing the Prophets' mean Jesus was a lousy prophet himself , or that he didn't know the Jewish prophecies very well? both?
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yoki
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Posted: Mon Sep 28th, 2009 04:00 pm |
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met wrote: he did seem to have a pretty good grasp of human nature, didn't he ...
does 'not knowing the Prophets' mean Jesus was a lousy prophet himself , or that he didn't know the Jewish prophecies very well? both?
Sorry, I didn't clarify that. I meant Jesus was a pretty lousy prophet himself. Even C.S. Lewis, the only saint of Protestant evangelicalism, admitted it. Lewis wrote that Matthew 24:30 was the most embarassing verse in the bible (C.S. Lewis The World’s Last Night and Other Essays).Last edited on Mon Sep 28th, 2009 04:05 pm by yoki
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Posted: Mon Sep 28th, 2009 06:09 pm |
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i have seen fundy websites where Lewis was declaimed as "damned" because of his lack of belief in innerrrancy ... a sitch similar to Carol's case 
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Posted: Mon Sep 28th, 2009 06:22 pm |
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met wrote: i have seen fundy websites where Lewis was declaimed as "damned" because of his lack of belief in innerrrancy ... a sitch similar to Carol's case
Yes, Lewis is viewed on two different polarities by the fundies: the uniformed have unofficially labelled him saint, and the informed, send him to hell. Most fundies are uniformed, so he remains a saint to them, mainly because of his one notable work: Mere Christianity.
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Posted: Wed Sep 30th, 2009 07:19 pm |
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met wrote: i have seen fundy websites where Lewis was declaimed as "damned" because of his lack of belief in innerrrancy ... a sitch similar to Carol's case
Do you believe in inerrancy, met?
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Posted: Wed Sep 30th, 2009 10:45 pm |
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Carol2 wrote: met wrote: i have seen fundy websites where Lewis was declaimed as "damned" because of his lack of belief in innerrrancy ... a sitch similar to Carol's case
Do you believe in inerrancy, met?
no, or at least, not in the modern-Prot sense.. . in fact, 'all 100% factual, literal fact" seems like a pretty silly idea when there are, for example, pretty obvious (even if fairly trivial) discrepancies on a literal level between the four Gospel narratives,esp around the resurrection scenes . . . and the effort that goes into "harmonizing" all that seems strained, forced, missing the point, lame...
But I don't care either way, cuz to me the 'literal' truth of it all isn't everything, or even essential . . . I'm more into lectio divina styles of reading ... .. so, to me, the literal factuality or not of the texts isn't so important as their impact (or the lack of impact) on a person or a group of people . .. above all, the Word of God needs to be FELT ... and then responded to . . .
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Posted: Sat Oct 10th, 2009 05:36 am |
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I hope so, to read "between the lines" on post-gay 'exodus' literature. Nearly all of the gay men who've claimed to be "healed" were married at least once and had a son (who carried on the 'curse' from birth.) Yes, some are born gay, some made gay by other men and some make themselves that way. Just read the verses in (biblical) scripture concerning eunuchs. The 'third sex' according to hindu and greek philosophy is the same. Never fully accepted in any culture but 'merely tolerated' in several.
Zeus took a "cupbearer" ganymede who was 17 years old, ganymede remained his "servant" for eternity but received eternal youth in return for being Zeus's bitch forever!
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Posted: Mon Oct 12th, 2009 02:16 am |
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| Homosexuality is a sin in the Bible, but not more so than say, adultery, drunkenness, or brawling violent behavior, Romans 1 and especially 2 deals with these issues in the most detail. Christians and Jews are not left out of God's judgement in any way. In fact, "unto whom much is given much is required", so you may not want to read or respond to many of my posts... I have been given much, consider yourselves warned!
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Posted: Mon Oct 12th, 2009 02:50 am |
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| I believe the bible cannot fail you spiritually, infallible in all of its translations. Also I dare say it is inerrant in its original manuscripts. Trick to that is the autographs no longer exist (extant). You have to study as many English translations as possible to get the full picture. I prefer free translations and quotes because of copyright infringement issues, but if I must quote I will paraphrase to the best of my ability. I have studied some of the original languages but I wish I had opportunity to study more Coptic and Old church Slavonic or Ethiopic to understand extra-biblical language better. Perhaps I will one day get a chance to yet do so. Just because they didn't make the canon doesn't mean any of those books are worthless. I know for a fact that there is miraculous healing power in the gospel of Thomas and the Secret gospel of Mark but these were rejected from the canon because they were untrustworthy translations, or questionable manuscripts. "That which is hidden shall be revealed" and likewise these have been revealed publically in the modern era though they were part of "secret doctrine" in Orthodoxy, Catholicism, and occultism for centuries.
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