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yoki
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 05:24 pm |
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Carol2 wrote: yoki wrote:
So what I did was closed my eyes and imagined for a little while. This is what I saw: gays being run out of town, beaten, assaulted and brutally murdered by vigilantes, with bystanders applauding this mayhem and death, while singing, "Onward Christian Soldiers."
Guess I was wrong. You can open your eyes now.
I will continue to hold that image in my mind, Carol, because I can only assume that this is the real reason why you won't define the "gay agenda". You, like many fundies, display an attitude of intolerance for anything you don't like, approve of, or understand.
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Carol2
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 06:00 pm |
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AyHyperbole wrote: Carol2 wrote: I understand all that and I believe, if you closed your eyes and imagined for a little while, you would probably realize you already know what I think too, and you will deem me judgmental, bigoted and/or stupid for my views.
I honestly don't know what you think. Obviously, it has something to do with your religion.
But I get a little confused, here. You say that individual gay people don't have evil agendas. You obviously can talk to gay people with civility and enjoy their company.
So do you really think your God wants you to actively work at making these peoples' lives a little more unpleasant? At denying them rights you take for granted?
Is that what you think God is? A guy who has an "agenda" of his own but won't be able to get it carried out unless people just like you work to pass legislation deeming yourselves superior to the rest of His creation?
I think maybe some people really do see God that way - and that's just one of the insanities that comes from anthropomorphizing God. He starts turning into a guy with political views.
You'd agree with the statement "God is neither a Democrat nor a Republican," wouldn't you? But you seem to be turning this civil rights issue into a religious issue. And when spirituality and politics bleed together - well, that makes for bad politics, and even worse spirituality.
Here's the bottom line to me. Denying civil rights to a group for no rational reason is an evil thing. Using the metaphor of God as a sentient being, if God wanted us to do that evil thing on its behalf, God would be evil. But God isn't evil, and therefore, God cannot possibly want that.
I'm starting to see that you're not coming out and stating your beliefs because you know everyone will find them "judgmental, bigoted and/or stupid." So maybe you're thinking something like "I know these beliefs appear wicked, but God wants them, and therefore they can't be wicked."
That's exactly the thought process that lead to all those horrible religious atrocities the Church is so eager to put behind it, from the Inquisition to the genocide of the Natives. Maybe a better thought process is: "I know these beliefs appear wicked, and God gives us the ability to see what is wicked, so perhaps this isn't what God wants at all."
Check your PM.
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Carol2
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 06:01 pm |
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yoki wrote: Carol2 wrote: yoki wrote:
So what I did was closed my eyes and imagined for a little while. This is what I saw: gays being run out of town, beaten, assaulted and brutally murdered by vigilantes, with bystanders applauding this mayhem and death, while singing, "Onward Christian Soldiers."
Guess I was wrong. You can open your eyes now.
I will continue to hold that image in my mind, Carol, because I can only assume that this is the real reason why you won't define the "gay agenda". You, like many fundies, display an attitude of intolerance for anything you don't like, approve of, or understand. You do what you gotta do, Yoki. 
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 08:14 pm |
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yoki wrote: . You, like many fundies, display an attitude of intolerance for anything you don't like, approve of, or understand.
except she isn't really a fundie, and even lacks the clear fundie-litmus-test indicator of "believes in Biblical innerrancy" .. .
geez, yokes, maybe u just require a "fundie" so desperately that (perish the thought but...) if Carol ever actually goes away, who'll you lable "fundie" in order to do battle with them ... me?  ...
now, that'd be just plain crazy ....
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yoki
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 08:32 pm |
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met wrote: yoki wrote: . You, like many fundies, display an attitude of intolerance for anything you don't like, approve of, or understand.
except she isn't really a fundie, and even lacks the clear fundie-litmus-test indicator of "believes in Biblical innerrancy" .. .
geez, yokes, maybe u just require a "fundie" so desperately that (perish the thought but...) if Carol ever actually goes away, who'll you lable "fundie" in order to do battle with them ... me? ...
now, that'd be just plain crazy ....
Yeah, I know, I am punching at shadows in the darkness.
I need to find another discussion board where fundies are a plentiful. C*RM is out cuz there the fundies are allowed to bully any non-fundies and get away with it.
But as for Carol, she is still a fundie at heart and mind. But she's really no fun cuz she can't debate or even discuss anything. She just comes here and snipes.
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 08:38 pm |
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no, u are "punching at shadows in the outer darkeness"
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 08:44 pm |
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carol isn't a fundy. She knows a few godislove verses, doesn't have a clue what the bible says, and ignores what she DOES know except for a general, warm-fuzzy idea that Jesus will love her no matter what she does or doesn't do.
Fundies condmen that as "easy-believism" and it's a sure sign that whoever espouses it isn't really saved, and will burn in hell forever unless they properly repent and pray an acceptable sinner's prayer.
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yoki
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 08:49 pm |
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met wrote: no, u are "punching at shadows in the outer darkeness"
That suggests, of course, Biblically speaking, that there then must be an "inner" darkness. "Inner darkness" sounds far more ominous. But I guess I should stop punching, period. Fundies are not as dangerous as they used to be with Dubya out of office. No idiot is trying to bring on Armageddon, nowadays, at least not blatantly.
It's too bad that Islam can't be clearly identified in all that biblical apocalyptic drivel, eh? Too bad for biblical prophecy experts, that is.
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Carol2
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 08:52 pm |
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Merlin wrote: carol isn't a fundy. She knows a few godislove verses, doesn't have a clue what the bible says, and ignores what she DOES know except for a general, warm-fuzzy idea that Jesus will love her no matter what she does or doesn't do.
Fundies condmen that as "easy-believism" and it's a sure sign that whoever espouses it isn't really saved, and will burn in hell forever unless they properly repent and pray an acceptable sinner's prayer.
You do try really hard to bait me, don'tcha ya?
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yoki
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 08:55 pm |
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Carol2 wrote: Merlin wrote: carol isn't a fundy. She knows a few godislove verses, doesn't have a clue what the bible says, and ignores what she DOES know except for a general, warm-fuzzy idea that Jesus will love her no matter what she does or doesn't do.
Fundies condmen that as "easy-believism" and it's a sure sign that whoever espouses it isn't really saved, and will burn in hell forever unless they properly repent and pray an acceptable sinner's prayer.
You do try really hard to bait me, don'tcha ya?
Merlin does a much better job of it than do I. I have all but given up.
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 08:55 pm |
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Carol2 wrote: Merlin wrote: carol isn't a fundy. She knows a few godislove verses, doesn't have a clue what the bible says, and ignores what she DOES know except for a general, warm-fuzzy idea that Jesus will love her no matter what she does or doesn't do.
Fundies condmen that as "easy-believism" and it's a sure sign that whoever espouses it isn't really saved, and will burn in hell forever unless they properly repent and pray an acceptable sinner's prayer.
You do try really hard to bait me, don'tcha ya?
i kinda thot that was basically accurate . .. well, u do like Paul's "all have sinned.." quote too, but otherwise, from a fundie perspective, that's more or less it... and likely describes accurately how many of your C*** former-friends see your spiritual state too
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Carol2
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 09:03 pm |
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I doubt my "CARM former friends" (whoever that may be?) have any access to my "spiritual state" (are you referring to Diane??). I am, in fact, still in contact with several of them via facebook, and separately from CARM, and they seem to like me just fine thank-you-very-much.
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yoki
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 09:06 pm |
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Carol2 wrote: I doubt my "CARM former friends" (whoever that may be?) have any access to my "spiritual state" (are you referring to Diane??). I am, in fact, still in contact with several of them via facebook, and separately from CARM, and they seem to like me just fine thank-you-very-much.
But you are a likeable person, Carol, in spite....
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 09:10 pm |
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Hmmm...well, thank you.
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 09:11 pm |
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yeh well, if they actual FUNDIES, then their socializing with you is probly really an effort to "lead u back to Jesus"as they say ... since, to an actual FUNDIE, your brand of (espoused) xianity would seem very suspect, both due to beliefs and behaviors ..
like, not espousing innrrrnacy, still smoking dope ... those might be okay in a new "baby" fundie/xian ... but not still after 10 years
... and that was Merlin's point ***shrugs***
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 09:17 pm |
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yoki wrote: met wrote: no, u are "punching at shadows in the outer darkeness"
That suggests, of course, Biblically speaking, that there then must be an "inner" darkness. "Inner darkness" sounds far more ominous. But I guess I should stop punching, period. Fundies are not as dangerous as they used to be with Dubya out of office. No idiot is trying to bring on Armageddon, nowadays, at least not blatantly.
It's too bad that Islam can't be clearly identified in all that biblical apocalyptic drivel, eh? Too bad for biblical prophecy experts, that is.
i think in Christ's teachings, it's your insides that lead u to the outside ...
and last week wasn't it Russia or someone like that ' in bible prophecy??'
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Carol2
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 09:17 pm |
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No one is trying to "lead me back to Jesus". Sorry to burst your theory.
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Carol2
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 09:18 pm |
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yoki wrote: Carol2 wrote: Merlin wrote: carol isn't a fundy. She knows a few godislove verses, doesn't have a clue what the bible says, and ignores what she DOES know except for a general, warm-fuzzy idea that Jesus will love her no matter what she does or doesn't do.
Fundies condmen that as "easy-believism" and it's a sure sign that whoever espouses it isn't really saved, and will burn in hell forever unless they properly repent and pray an acceptable sinner's prayer.
You do try really hard to bait me, don'tcha ya?
Merlin does a much better job of it than do I. I have all but given up. You're a much faster learner, apparently.
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 09:18 pm |
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No one is trying to "lead me back to Jesus". Sorry to burst your theory.
well, if they fundies, they SHOULD be, they being amiss in their duties to the Lord .... hope they don't end up in the outer darkness
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yoki
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 09:28 pm |
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met wrote: No one is trying to "lead me back to Jesus". Sorry to burst your theory.
well, if they fundies, they SHOULD be, they being amiss in their duties to the Lord .... hope they don't end up in the outer darkness
Someone should sic Christdependent onto Carol... naw... no one deserves that.
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