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Posted: Tue Aug 25th, 2009 08:33 pm |
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To those who think I deliberately edited stiggy's post:
1. I guess I edited my own posts that night, too, and changed the wording AND edited sloan's posts and deleted them;
2. I would never remove something stiggy said because most of the time Cathy doesn't believe me that a person could be that retarded, and I have to actually show her the posts. I need his crap left up as evidence.
I clicked EDIT to edit my post, saw his inane tripe there, thught I had somehow used the quote feature, deleted his crap and wrote my post, and then when it posted, it was in stiggy's post.
If I was going to delete shit, I would have just deleted it and not said a word. I certainly wouldn't have put my own post there.
Last edited on Tue Aug 25th, 2009 08:40 pm by Merlin
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Posted: Tue Aug 25th, 2009 08:39 pm |
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Ronson wrote: I did. I complained about him and board security here when everything went down a week or two ago. I was never satisfied with the "answers."
maybe wowbb has some security holes?  ... i saw some posts (of hiram's) were edited, without leaving a trace, on Scav/Button's Re-aarmed board too ...
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Posted: Tue Aug 25th, 2009 08:51 pm |
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AyHyperbole wrote: Really? It seemed exactly in line with what I witnessed, what with Merlin editing stiggy's post in a way that made it very clear that she had no idea she was even doing it.
The timeline doesn't add up.
Tuesday night (10:45 pm), Stiggy's post is edited.
Wednesday morning (2:58 am) Sloan complains his IP(s) were banned.
19.5 hours later...
Wednesday night (10:39 pm) Son Of Hiram /Belvedere discovers newfound editing powers.
11 hours later...
Thursday morning (9:14 am) Ratcliff said:
"Yesterday I accidentally gave moderator permissions to registered users. This was an accidental click of the mouse button with some, apparently, adverse effects. For the past 24 hours or so people on the forums have been able to edit other people's posts and generally make a nuisance of themselves."
Thursday morning (10 a.m.) I asked Ratcliff why this weirdness occurred prior to his 24-hours statement.
Thursday morning (10:33 am) Ratcliff said: "I would just as well let the topic die and move on..." (plus other suspicious rambling)
Thursday afternoon (1:24 pm) Merlin said:
"ronson, are you accusing me of going into your account? How, exactly, could even a moderator do that? I had my own WOWBB and there's no way an Admin can go into somebody's account, read PMs, or do anything besides move, edit, or delete posts."
Thursday afternoon (1:55 pm) Ratcliff said:
"Merlin, A super moderator can access other people's accounts. There is a mode on the admin panel that allows you to 'become this user'. If you do that, you are logged in under their account (you do *not* see their password though)."
The timeline is wrong and the answers unresponsive. I'm not the only person to sense something amiss.
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Posted: Tue Aug 25th, 2009 08:57 pm |
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met wrote: maybe wowbb has some security holes? ... i saw some posts (of hiram's) were edited, without leaving a trace, on Scav/Button's Re-aarmed board too ...
Possibly. My issue here, though, is I think Ratcliff knows a bit more than he is admitting.
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AyHyperbole
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Posted: Tue Aug 25th, 2009 11:24 pm |
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Ronson wrote: AyHyperbole wrote: Really? It seemed exactly in line with what I witnessed, what with Merlin editing stiggy's post in a way that made it very clear that she had no idea she was even doing it.
The timeline doesn't add up.
Tuesday night (10:45 pm), Stiggy's post is edited.
Wednesday morning (2:58 am) Sloan complains his IP(s) were banned.
19.5 hours later...
Wednesday night (10:39 pm) Son Of Hiram /Belvedere discovers newfound editing powers.
11 hours later...
Thursday morning (9:14 am) Ratcliff said:
"Yesterday I accidentally gave moderator permissions to registered users. This was an accidental click of the mouse button with some, apparently, adverse effects. For the past 24 hours or so people on the forums have been able to edit other people's posts and generally make a nuisance of themselves."
Thursday morning (10 a.m.) I asked Ratcliff why this weirdness occurred prior to his 24-hours statement.
Thursday morning (10:33 am) Ratcliff said: "I would just as well let the topic die and move on..." (plus other suspicious rambling)
Thursday afternoon (1:24 pm) Merlin said:
"ronson, are you accusing me of going into your account? How, exactly, could even a moderator do that? I had my own WOWBB and there's no way an Admin can go into somebody's account, read PMs, or do anything besides move, edit, or delete posts."
Thursday afternoon (1:55 pm) Ratcliff said:
"Merlin, A super moderator can access other people's accounts. There is a mode on the admin panel that allows you to 'become this user'. If you do that, you are logged in under their account (you do *not* see their password though)."
The timeline is wrong and the answers unresponsive. I'm not the only person to sense something amiss.
I personally think Sloan's complaint had no basis in reality; the guy surfed into AARM on maybe two proxies and surfed into CARM on maybe four, and the two he used at AARM got banned at CARM. Easily attributable to coincidence.
What do you think, here - that Ratcliff looked at the proxies Sloan was using and passed the IPs on to Diane? It would never happen. Ratcliff's far too uninterested in this site, or CARM, to do anything like that. I don't know if anyone else had the ability to view IPs during the "oops, everyone's a moderator" period, but even if they did, so what? It's meaningless unless someone's ban-evading or is so paranoid they don't want anyone to know what general metro area they live in.
As for "past 24 hours or so," apparently that meant something closer to 34 hours. Ratcliff apparently didn't think it was important to go back and do the math, and neither, really, do I.
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Posted: Wed Aug 26th, 2009 03:37 am |
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Maybe your suspicions would be correct if there were super moderators all over AARM, but AFAIK, there is only one--Ratcliffe-- and I really , really doubt that he was screwing with your account or anybody else's.
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Posted: Wed Aug 26th, 2009 06:13 am |
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I still can't get my original avatar back.
Some asstard is working overtime to piss me off.
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Posted: Wed Aug 26th, 2009 02:45 pm |
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The shit-starters from the broke board are boycotting AARM again.
I'm not "boycotting" AARM. I just don't find it enjoyable anymore.
This is just classic.... I mention "shit-starter" and carol answers.
As to not going off about Ratcliffe, may I refer you to your post the other day in which you informed Yoki that no one is currently saying anything nasty about him on the brokeass board because they're too busy talking about John?
carol, really.... try some gincko biloba or something. Your short-term memory is worse than usual.
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Posted: Wed Aug 26th, 2009 03:50 pm |
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AyHyperbole wrote: I personally think Sloan's complaint had no basis in reality; the guy surfed into AARM on maybe two proxies and surfed into CARM on maybe four, and the two he used at AARM got banned at CARM. Easily attributable to coincidence.
Perhaps, if those are the actual details. But that's not an isolated coicidence here.
What do you think, here - that Ratcliff looked at the proxies Sloan was using and passed the IPs on to Diane?
No.
It would never happen. Ratcliff's far too uninterested in this site, or CARM, to do anything like that.
I suspect (not positive) that there was a breach of security, that Ratcliff knows what happened and doesn't want to acknowledge it for fear of causing more disruption.
I don't know if anyone else had the ability to view IPs during the "oops, everyone's a moderator" period, but even if they did, so what?
Moderators can see IPs.
It's meaningless unless someone's ban-evading or is so paranoid they don't want anyone to know what general metro area they live in.
As for "past 24 hours or so," apparently that meant something closer to 34 hours. Ratcliff apparently didn't think it was important to go back and do the math, and neither, really, do I.
On Thursday, Ratcliff said he made the mistake "yesterday." That translates into Wednesday. So although this may explain and coincide with "Son of Hiram"s brush with authority on Wednesday night, it doesn't explain what happened on Tuesday night. I have rarely heard someone refer to "two days ago" as "yesterday" as human memory tends to be a bit stronger than that.
Again, I say "suspect" because I can never be positive or prove anything. But the events, the reactions, the timing, and the weak answers suggest malfeasance.
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Posted: Wed Aug 26th, 2009 04:18 pm |
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Ronson wrote: I have rarely heard someone refer to "two days ago" as "yesterday" as human memory tends to be a bit stronger than that.
Then Ronson, now please take this in the spirit as it is meant which is purely humour, but if what you say is true, then trying to be rigid about time-frames like this, would severely limit you as a Christian apologist when the areas of how many days Christ was in the grave when it comes to what He prophesied, and what actually happened according to some gospel accounts.
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Posted: Wed Aug 26th, 2009 04:32 pm |
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yoki wrote: Then Ronson, now please take this in the spirit as it is meant which is purely humour, but if what you say is true, then trying to be rigid about time-frames like this, would severely limit you as a Christian apologist when the areas of how many days Christ was in the grave when it comes to what He prophesied, and what actually happened according to some gospel accounts.
You realize I am not an inerrantist. The gospels were written long after the fact, long after the events had transpired. People's memories might differ on specifics.
I used to go camping in my backyard quite often during the summers of 1969 and 1970. I couldn't tell you now how many days these camping stints lasted - it all happened some 40 years ago. But I do know the difference between what I did "yesterday", and what I did two days ago.
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Posted: Wed Aug 26th, 2009 07:19 pm |
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| Easy solution, ronson... if you believe people here can access your account, then don't post here.
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Posted: Wed Aug 26th, 2009 07:39 pm |
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| Impractical solution since the account remains. I deleted my email addresses and other personal info from 'user preferences' and deleted previous posts with personal information in them. I suggest others do likewise.
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Posted: Wed Aug 26th, 2009 07:43 pm |
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Ronson wrote: met wrote: maybe wowbb has some security holes? ... i saw some posts (of hiram's) were edited, without leaving a trace, on Scav/Button's Re-aarmed board too ...
Possibly. My issue here, though, is I think Ratcliff knows a bit more than he is admitting.
or maybe John just got it wrong? .... maybe he just didn't care enough to work out the details of what really happened and just assumed he pushed the wrong button
... it's not like he's around here very much, and most of the time he doesn't seem to be paying TOO much attention to what's going on, does he? ... so your conspiracy theory seems a little presumptive, or premature, or something
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Posted: Wed Aug 26th, 2009 08:23 pm |
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met wrote: Ronson wrote: met wrote: maybe wowbb has some security holes? ... i saw some posts (of hiram's) were edited, without leaving a trace, on Scav/Button's Re-aarmed board too ...
Possibly. My issue here, though, is I think Ratcliff knows a bit more than he is admitting.
or maybe John just got it wrong? .... maybe he just didn't care enough to work out the details of what really happened and just assumed he pushed the wrong button
... it's not like he's around here very much, and most of the time he doesn't seem to be paying TOO much attention to what's going on, does he? ... so your conspiracy theory seems a little presumptive, or premature, or something
The only regular user of these forums who could have hacked into them would have been Sloan. If such was the case, I am sure John took care of him really well. As rumour has it, Sloan has tried to hack into C*RM for a long time, but a rumour is just a rumour... though I wonder where the one who soars with the freakin turkeys is now, eh?
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Posted: Wed Aug 26th, 2009 09:32 pm |
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ronson said: Impractical solution
You actually put your email address on a board frequented by jimmy sloan? The week that AARM crashed twice, my antivirus quarantined 15 viruses. (Yeah, I know, just coincidence.) I replaced my real email address with a fake one.
As far as a deleting posts with personal information, I think you've been reading too many True Crime stories. Who TF has the time or desire to go through the petty shit you write about yourself and "use" it against you?
I know there are posters on your brokeboard who have paranoid pathologies but didn't know it was so contagious. Do every single one of you consider yourself the center of the entire universe and the target of top-secret Atheist CIA operations?
Yeah, your trivial and mundane little life stories command top dollar on the espionage black market, ronson.
"rolls eyes
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Posted: Wed Aug 26th, 2009 10:33 pm |
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Merlin wrote: As far as a deleting posts with personal information, I think you've been reading too many True Crime stories. Who TF has the time or desire to go through the petty shit you write about yourself and "use" it against you?
Good question. Hey Daryl, what do you think? Darwiniac? You still there?
I know there are posters on your brokeboard who have paranoid pathologies but didn't know it was so contagious. Do every single one of you consider yourself the center of the entire universe and the target of top-secret Atheist CIA operations?
Yeah, your trivial and mundane little life stories command top dollar on the espionage black market, ronson.
"rolls eyes
Your exagerrations are irrelevant. Some people live on the Internet, it is their entire lives, and everything in discussion groups is immensely important to them. They dig into other people's lives because they have none of their own. They send police to people's homes, and probably would send pizzas and taxis to someone elses house after a bad argument because they have nothing else going on. It has nothing to do with espionage or CIA operations. It has to do with the empty lives of some very spiteful people whom I wouldn't even want living in my county, much less having any personal knowledge.
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Posted: Thu Aug 27th, 2009 12:02 am |
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Merlin wrote: Maybe your suspicions would be correct if there were super moderators all over AARM, but AFAIK, there is only one--Ratcliffe--
Except that Ratcliff is spelled without an "e," you are correct. Thanks to the broke dick board's baseless accustions, I have not been a supermod for many months.
I also want to emphasize that I have not given anybody's IP addresses to anybody else. I have told others the state where a suspicious poster was located based on the poster's IP address. I have also told others whether two troll accounts belonged to the same person based on the IP address. If you don't like that, then go run to jratliff and complain.
But I would rather shave my head than collaborate with Diane Sellner on ANYTHING. That includes information to intermediaries like Merlin. I like her, but I won't give her anything that I don't want Diane to have (even information that would not violate any ethical code).
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Posted: Thu Aug 27th, 2009 12:50 am |
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yoki wrote: met wrote: Ronson wrote: met wrote: maybe wowbb has some security holes? ... i saw some posts (of hiram's) were edited, without leaving a trace, on Scav/Button's Re-aarmed board too ...
Possibly. My issue here, though, is I think Ratcliff knows a bit more than he is admitting.
or maybe John just got it wrong? .... maybe he just didn't care enough to work out the details of what really happened and just assumed he pushed the wrong button
... it's not like he's around here very much, and most of the time he doesn't seem to be paying TOO much attention to what's going on, does he? ... so your conspiracy theory seems a little presumptive, or premature, or something
The only regular user of these forums who could have hacked into them would have been Sloan. If such was the case, I am sure John took care of him really well. As rumour has it, Sloan has tried to hack into C*RM for a long time, but a rumour is just a rumour... though I wonder where the one who soars with the freakin turkeys is now, eh?
the only KNOWN regular user of these forms with CONFIRMED hacker skills and experience is Sloan ... that may not tel the whole story 
i bet FiE must be enjoying . ..
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Posted: Thu Aug 27th, 2009 01:08 am |
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met wrote: yoki wrote: met wrote: Ronson wrote: met wrote: maybe wowbb has some security holes? ... i saw some posts (of hiram's) were edited, without leaving a trace, on Scav/Button's Re-aarmed board too ...
Possibly. My issue here, though, is I think Ratcliff knows a bit more than he is admitting.
or maybe John just got it wrong? .... maybe he just didn't care enough to work out the details of what really happened and just assumed he pushed the wrong button
... it's not like he's around here very much, and most of the time he doesn't seem to be paying TOO much attention to what's going on, does he? ... so your conspiracy theory seems a little presumptive, or premature, or something
The only regular user of these forums who could have hacked into them would have been Sloan. If such was the case, I am sure John took care of him really well. As rumour has it, Sloan has tried to hack into C*RM for a long time, but a rumour is just a rumour... though I wonder where the one who soars with the freakin turkeys is now, eh?
the only KNOWN regular user of these forms with CONFIRMED hacker skills and experience is Sloan ... that may not tel the whole story
i bet FiE must be enjoying . ..
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