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Posted: Sat Jul 26th, 2008 08:59 am |
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Pastor John wrote: I don't know, deep empiricism?...., i.e., a nonsensationist epistemology, coupled with a nondualistic ontology?
Heh, naw man....wrong direction.
Pragmatism. That's all.
(wassup with Lamont?)
Peace!
-sgttomas
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Carol2 wrote: The existance of the three monotheistic religions and their shared roots in Abraham have convinced me that God is real. Why? Do you think that's weird?
No. I'm not really sure what I meant by, "it is now". ....must have had something else in mind.
I just wanted to acknowledge that I had read and understood your beliefs.
Peace,
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Posted: Sat Jul 26th, 2008 04:23 pm |
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I'm still a little freaked out that you've moved to the other side.
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Posted: Sun Jul 27th, 2008 02:38 am |
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s g t t o m a s wrote: Sally-Anne wrote: Gah!!!
Noooooooo...say it isn't so, not my sweet ST...
Jesus loves you. Of course he does! SA: Good! I know that. SA: Good! But knowing that, why don't you want to reciprocate to the point of rejecting Him? I'm pretty sure that the yanks here are full of the American TV's version of Islam, which is a shame. But Islam isn't a religion of compulsion, so I won't be forcing feeding it to you.
Peace,
-sgttomas SA: LOL ST, I dunno about that, I think Islam is a pretty compulsive religion of the "religion of compulsion" type in lots of quarters...such as Muslim countries.... But I also know that you wont forcefeed us, you don't strike me as a muslim at all....
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Posted: Sun Jul 27th, 2008 02:39 am |
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Carol2 wrote: I'm still a little freaked out that you've moved to the other side.
me too sistah....majorly freaked out...
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Posted: Sun Jul 27th, 2008 03:05 am |
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s g t t o m a s wrote: Pastor John wrote:
 Wonderful....just wonderful.
Looks like we're going to have to waterboard you till you accept the love of Jesus in your heart.
Sometimes love hurts,..even when it comes in the Xian variety.
Heh. Americans are funny.
-sgtt.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I always thought you were an American?
You're not going to do a Cat Stavens on us are you Yusuf? (yes I know he's English, but still....lol)... 
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Posted: Sun Jul 27th, 2008 03:12 am |
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s g t t o m a s wrote: Carol2 wrote: KORAN commands to kill infidels:
Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98
On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161
Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191
Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39
Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.
I know you're no stranger to Christian theology so what is it about "Jesus is God" that pushed you away from Christianity? You don't believe God could incarnate himself on behalf of our salvation and His desire for reconciliation?
...then why aren't you all dead?
Because they can't kill us "all."
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Posted: Sun Jul 27th, 2008 03:14 am |
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s g t t o m a s wrote: Pastor John wrote:
He must have been reading The Shack.
Sentimental theological fiction can breed heresy,...or worse.
PJ, I guess you can be excused, because I don't really know what you know of my past, but I haven't been a Christian for a few years now. My route to non-Christianity was through an ironic belief structure and post-modern critical thought.
....my present status has a lot to do with my resolution of post-modernism on pragmatic grounds. Again, something you haven't really been witness to.
The notion that I would be swayed by someone's opinion alone is kinda funny to me - as I've always done and believed what I wanted for my own reasons.
This is something I wrote not too long ago, at a critical juncture in my return to faith (from a period of very confused agnosticism)
http://www.theholywild.com/newforum/viewtopic.php?t=908&highlight=
And this is what it morphed into:
http://www.theholywild.com/newforum/viewtopic.php?t=1008&highlight=
Peace,
-sgttomas
Blimey, this is sounding Yoda-esque...yeah, extremely confused.....
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Posted: Sun Jul 27th, 2008 05:21 am |
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s g t t o m a s wrote: Pastor John wrote: I don't know, deep empiricism?...., i.e., a nonsensationist epistemology, coupled with a nondualistic ontology?
Heh, naw man....wrong direction.
Pragmatism. That's all.
(wassup with Lamont?)
Peace!
-sgttomas
Well, Lamont chose Mahamed Ali over Jesus, so on the day of judgement, he has to stand nekkid before the Man. See what happens for yourself:
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1043/1043_01.asp
It isn't pretty.
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Posted: Sun Jul 27th, 2008 05:24 am |
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Yeah, Lamont's just a big dummy, falling for all that mooslim shit.
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Posted: Sun Jul 27th, 2008 05:48 am |
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s g t t o m a s wrote: Carol2 wrote: The existance of the three monotheistic religions and their shared roots in Abraham have convinced me that God is real. Why? Do you think that's weird?
No. I'm not really sure what I meant by, "it is now". ....must have had something else in mind.
I just wanted to acknowledge that I had read and understood your beliefs.
Peace,
-sgttomas
Salaam, to you my brother.
Listen to my words:
Don't let those white she-devils steer you away from the straight and narrow!
The honorable Elijah has spoken.
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Sally-Anne wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I always thought you were an American?
You're not going to do a Cat Stavens on us are you Yusuf? (yes I know he's English, but still....lol)...
Lol! That was my first reaction too, that Sgt was doing a Cat Stevens.
He's Canadian, I believe.
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Posted: Sun Jul 27th, 2008 07:15 am |
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Carol2 wrote: I'm still a little freaked out that you've moved to the other side.
naw, more like a circle. I've just shifted around the circumference.
Peace,
-sgttomas
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Posted: Sun Jul 27th, 2008 07:20 am |
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Sally-Anne wrote: SA: Good! But knowing that, why don't you want to reciprocate to the point of rejecting Him?
Really? I thought I was following him. Love God, love one another. It's just theology that I reject. I put those silly notions aside years ago, so I've been a "rejecter" for years already. You've heard me say that before.
SA: LOL ST, I dunno about that, I think Islam is a pretty compulsive religion of the "religion of compulsion" type in lots of quarters...such as Muslim countries.... But I also know that you wont forcefeed us, you don't strike me as a muslim at all....
Yeah, but that's got a lot to do with politics and economics. Islam is coopted as a means of control. It's entirely contrary to what is taught. Here, the Muslims I've met are all rather perplexed about it. It's rather like how Christianity has been hijacked by politicians here and turned into some grotesque thing that Christ would never recognize.
How many Muslims do you know personally and spend time with regularly?
Peace,
-sgttomas
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Posted: Sun Jul 27th, 2008 07:22 am |
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Sally-Anne wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I always thought you were an American?
You're not going to do a Cat Stavens on us are you Yusuf? (
Born American. Escaped shortly thereafter.
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Posted: Sun Jul 27th, 2008 07:23 am |
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Sally-Anne wrote:
Because they can't kill us "all."
That says a lot.
Peace,
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Posted: Sun Jul 27th, 2008 07:24 am |
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Sally-Anne wrote: Blimey, this is sounding Yoda-esque...yeah, extremely confused.....
lol.
Wow. Those are some of the most clear and concise expressions of belief that I've ever come up with. I imgagine it does seem quite foreign to you, but that's intentional. I've made extreme efforts to get away from the kind of Christianity that you embrace. ...hm.....I don't mean that with offense. It's just what I believe is true.
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Posted: Sun Jul 27th, 2008 07:26 am |
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Pastor John wrote:
Well, Lamont chose Mahamed Ali over Jesus, so on the day of judgement, he has to stand nekkid before the Man. See what happens for yourself:
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1043/1043_01.asp
It isn't pretty.
Oh Chick? Yeah, I don't even read those for entertainment.
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Posted: Sun Jul 27th, 2008 08:16 am |
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s g t t o m a s wrote: Sally-Anne wrote: SA: Good! But knowing that, why don't you want to reciprocate to the point of rejecting Him?
Really? I thought I was following him. Love God, love one another. SA: That's Jesus Christ who said that, not mohammad's Allah. And the God of Jesus Christ to whom He was referring to loving is the God of Abraham, ISAAC and Jacob....The God of ISRAEL.....not the god of Ishmael, mohammad and Islam. It's just theology that I reject. I put those silly notions aside years ago SA: Blimey, and yet you're adopting another "silly notion" of a theology.... so I've been a "rejecter" for years already. You've heard me say that before. SA: Yeah I have, but not in such strong terms, I heard you say that you'd rejected the theology and religious side of things, ok, but not actually Jesus Himself. But if you're embracing a religion that calls Jesus a liar, then yeah, you are rejecting Him because Jesus Christ is the Truth and He spoke the truth, Mohammad did not. Simple as that.
Yeah, but that's got a lot to do with politics and economics. Islam is coopted as a means of control. It's entirely contrary to what is taught. Here, the Muslims I've met are all rather perplexed about it. It's rather like how Christianity has been hijacked by politicians here and turned into some grotesque thing that Christ would never recognize. SA: Sure, I can accept that and I even agree with you. How many Muslims do you know personally and spend time with regularly? SA: None, they usually keep to themselves, they're not very welcoming, it's not like the local community gets invites to the mosque....
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Posted: Sun Jul 27th, 2008 08:26 am |
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Homosexual Chattanooga Shoeshine General wrote: Fine choice, Islam. Isn't it wonderful how our mind offers us such a wonderful Buffet Table of Religions? SA: Nope, there's the truth (who is Jesus Christ) and then there's the table of rotten food that leads to death aka false religions, it's hardly a buffet..... Our "spiritual quest" is nothing more than our taking full advantage of the "all you can eat" feature of this marvelous mental buffet. SA: whatever....
Save some room for a B'hai dessert.
(This restaurant is in dire need of a vomitorium.)
SA: Right, B'hai is a godless vomitorium. puke.
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